LRFotS Johnny is back with a couple of interesting questions stemming from the previous popular pulchritudinous pictures poast, in which he asks about how our boy Roosh has seemingly walked back a number of his beliefs, and how Indians just cannot seem to understand beauty standards:
Didact,
Two things :
i) I checked in on what Roosh is going, after a year of not reading him. He wants to become a full monk in the Russian Orthodox church. However, he has gone full blue pill on certain key matters. This is not merely an abandonment of the PUA life (after crossing a certain age), but he waxes on how he should have found a wife and got married. No mention whatsoever of how Western religious organizations are fully woke and feminist, as Dalrock exposed in detail for 10 years, and how the divorce laws are rigged against a man, and how his church cannot save him, and the divorce is done in the court system, not the church.
Roosh used to know these things well, but now seems to have forgotten them for the purpose of being a blue-pilled guy. What gives?
2) Since Miss India became Miss Universe, suffice it to say, the Internet has been flooded with tons of Indian orcs asserting that Indian women are the most beautiful in the world. All their ‘evidence’ of this is this one Miss India, with no mention of averages.
Question : By using an apex anecdote to assert that ‘since one Indian woman is Miss Universe, all Indian women are the most beautiful in the world’, are they just deliberately dishonest, or genuinely stupid.
Even before this, I noticed that the tendency to use apex anecdotes to lie about the horrid reality of India is very common among both Indian men and women.
“XYZ Indian woman is/was Miss Universe, so Indian women are the most beautiful in the world!”
“India has XYZ billionaire who built a garish $2 Billion house (rather than sanitize the 1-mile radius around that house), so India is the richest country!”Is it extreme dishonesty, extreme stupidity, or both?
Good questions that deserve honest answers. So, here goes.
1. Questioning Orthodoxy
I don’t read Roosh’s work much, so I cannot comment on what he did or did not write. But I can say this:
He is absolutely right about the need for men to marry.
This is Scripturally, biologically, and psychologically correct. Scripture notes that the greatest commandment is for us to love God with all of our hearts and all of our souls and all of our might. This is impossible to do when merely dating, as I know quite well, and to my great cost, because whether a man is involved with one woman or one hundred, a woman is a distraction of the flesh, separate from his own.
Only through the sacred covenant of marriage, done correctly in God’s own sight, do the two become one flesh. And only then can husband and wife turn their attention to God. A God-centred marriage is the only kind that will really work to keep everyone happy and fulfilled.
That does not diminish or change the dire reality of the present situation. No Christian in his right mind can, or should, ignore the fact that the laws are TOTALLY opposed to marital happiness. The culture is SCREWED beyond measure, and the rottenness has metastasised throughout the body of the church itself.
The Body of Christ
By “church”, I DO NOT mean the Catholic Church, the Russian (or any other kind of) Orthodox Church, or any of the 40,000 or more Protestant denominations. I am referring here to the body of Christ, the believers who state with our mouths and believe in our hearts that Jesus Christ died on the Cross and rose again from the dead. Far too many of us simply accept that marriage is a legal contract, rather than the most serious and profound binding agreement that a man can enter.
Too many of us do not seem to understand that there is only ONE exit clause from marriage – adultery, which literally steals glory from God, because the adulterer breaks a vow taken before Him to honour another’s body and soul as equal to one’s own.
All of that is before we get to the wider culture and the total feminisation of the Church. It doesn’t even seem to matter where you look – marriage is treated as transient and temporary even in Russia, where the Orthodox Church is undergoing a very powerful revival. By some accounts, Russia has the highest divorce rate in the entire world – though I do not quite believe this, since I’ve lived in Russia and seen quite a lot of happy families there.
How, then, are we to square two seemingly mutually opposed facts? On the one hand, the ONLY legitimate kind of relationship between a man and a woman is marriage – period freakin’ dot. On the other hand, seemingly only an idiot would get married in the current environment.
Why Get Married?
The answer is one that secular minds simply cannot grasp:
God instils in His church a spirit of love, NOT FEAR.
And those who say, “don’t ever get married, walk away from women, never engage with them, don’t take any risks, don’t expose yourselves”, are doing so from a position of fear.
It doesn’t matter how you dress it up. That pose is a fearful one, and it is directly antithetical to the call of the true Christian.
There IS room for Christians to stay bachelors all of our lives – but only if, as Paul the Apostle stated, we become like him and give our lives entirely in devotion to God. Most of us are not called to live like this – nor should we be, because we need men to show up and fight for the next generation, so that the Church can survive.
But real Christians have only two options – marriage or lifelong bachelorhood. Neither option comes from being afraid of the culture. Both options come from loving God.
Preventive Medicine
As for Roosh – I have no idea whether he says this or not. I cannot and will not speak for him. My guess, though is that he probably has written something along these lines already.
And yes, he should have gotten married, settled down, and had a gaggle of kids by now. So should I. He and I could not be more different by background and temperament, but we have both made a number of serious mistakes in our lives, and we are paying the price today.
Has he gone full blue-pill? I doubt it. if he has – and I don’t think he has – then here is a book by a man of the Church, who lays out exactly what the problem is, and how men can fight against it:
![The Predatory Female by [Lawrence Shannon]](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51p-YShds6L._SY346_.jpg)
You are perfectly welcome, by the way, to call me a raging hypocrite for telling men to get married. And you would be perfectly within your rights. I make no effort whatsoever to defend myself from those accusations. All I can say is that, just because I am an extraordinarily poor excuse for a Christian, that doesn’t mean you should follow my example. As I have pointed out countless times over the last few years – anyone who thinks that I am some sort of role model, needs to see a psychologist to be treated for early-onset dementia.
Bottom line: marriage is the only legitimate way for men to have sex, companionship, and children. It is also extremely dangerous in the present time. So don’t do it unless you are:
a) EXTREMELY sure of yourself;
b) EVEN MORE SURE of your woman;
c) Willing to take a big risk;
d) Not a quitter; and
e) Most importantly, BOTH willing to put your faith and trust in your Creator;
Only then will your marriage have the slightest hope of succeeding. But, once you’re in a real commitment with a woman who demonstrates, repeatedly, that she can be trusted to keep her promises to you, then you have something of immeasurable value. Never let that go, and never lose control of your own impulses.
If you get married, your woman is a part of you, and you are a part of her. Your duty as a Christian is to honour her as though she is a part of you – that elevates her to a level just below holiness.
If that sounds ridiculously blue-pill to you, remember that SHE IS SUPPOSED TO DO THE SAME WITH YOU. And if she will not do so – then she ain’t wife material. End of.
2. Indian Beauty… Uh… “Standards”
Right, on to Johnny‘s second question. I can’t pretend to be an authority on this subject, since I personally do not find Indian women attractive, as a general rule. As to whether Indians are extremely dishonest, or extremely stupid, or both – I wouldn’t go quite so deep into the pejoratives, since I do believe that beauty is the eye of the beholder.
That being said, I think that Indians are dishonest with themselves about a great many things, and also simply do not know any better. It’s not so much stupidity as it is ignorance.
Plenty of Monkfish
Take a look here at a list of past Miss World and Miss Universe contest winners. I don’t much care for these meat-parades, but if you look through the pichers, you’ll very quickly see that every single one of those winners cannot hold a candle to what you see gracing these pages in the much-beloved Friday T&A series.
This is nothing personal against Indian women. More than a few spammers have stopped by this place to dump shit on me because I wrote a few articles on the subject of the lack of good-looking women in India, calling me all sorts of silly names. But calling me names doesn’t change the facts.
The evidence does indeed point to the reality that genuinely beautiful women are extremely thin on the ground in India. I have outlined why in a very long post, written nearly 4 years back. I will not repeat what I wrote there – it still stands today. The cold fact is that Indian men don’t know what real beauty looks like, because most of them are blue-pilled Betas of the worst kind.
The few of them that are lucky enough to get out of India, and learn some masculine skills and traits, AND shed the dorky curry-smelling software-nerd stereotype image, can do quite well for themselves. Those who end up in Western countries and secure decent citizenship, on top of that, can do really well. (I know of an Indian guy living near New York F***ing Shitty, for instance, who is married to a Ukrainian woman and has a kid with her.)
Why the Hate?
So, are Indians being deliberately dishonest and deliberately stupid when they claim that they have the most beautiful women in the world? Maybe, but I think it’s more a case of extreme ignorance.
The reason why is because they simply unthinkingly accept their environment, without thinking that there might exist something way better elsewhere in the world.
You see the exact same thing when talking to South Asian Muslims about their false “religion”. They have been brought up to believe, without understanding, unquestioningly, in the ridiculous stories told to them by their teachers about their “prophet”, Mo’Lester. When you point out the idiocies and contradictions and fallacies of their false faith, they get REALLY pissed, because you have essentially smashed down their entire worldview, and that is exceedingly uncomfortable to any human being.
There is, to be sure, an element of dishonesty involved. Anyone attempting to protect a false worldview will always resort to lies, personal attacks, and outlandish epicycles to support his unsupportable belief system. But you can’t really call someone stupid if he has never been exposed to anything else.
The average blue-pilled Indian Beta has spent his entire life watching Indian TV, Bollywood movies, and women in saris. His entire social and cultural experience does not extend beyond this. You can’t really expect him to think too differently from his peers.
However, for the Indians that have travelled abroad and seen the extreme differences in physiognomy, and beauty, of Western and East Asian women, when compared with subcontinental women, there is absolutely no excuse. That is a relatively small percentage of Indians, though, and I do not consider them to be representative of the country as a whole.
For those Indians, if they insist, while knowing better, that Indian women are the most beautiful in the world, they’re lying their asses off.
Useless Without Pichers
Since points like this always go down better with objective evidence, here’s some.
That’s Ms Harnaaz Sandhu, a Punjabi, who won the latest Miss Universe contest.
And that’s Ekaterina Enokaeva, who is for my money quite possibly the most beautiful woman ever featured in the Friday T&A series. It’s not even a very good picture of her.
As far as I’m concerned, it’s not even a fair contest. The Russian wins by any reasonable standard. And I think that any red-blooded man, of any race or nationality, would agree.
To conclude – if you hear an Indian boldly proclaim that they have the most beautiful women in the world, first check whether he has travelled at all. If he has, then you can be pretty sure that he’s essentially lying to cover up his own insecurities about his worldview. There is no real need to call him out on it – such things tend to resolve themselves over time. But be aware that Indians do have a very strong chauvinistic bent to them, and they can be quite racist, especially toward their own kind. (Weird but true.)
They also have a very strong inferiority complex, caused by their roughly 200-year subjugation by the British. As a result, they often simultaneously loathe and fetishise White women, to an unhealthy degree – it’s just not funny how many Indian mothers tell their sons that White girls are all whores and unworthy of them, while brown girls are the only ones worth dating and marrying. Neither stereotype is strictly true, especially in PommieBastardLande, where it is not uncommon to see young South Asian women in full hijabs puffing on vape pens and swearing like sailors.
As with most things related to race and beauty, it’s not a simple black-and-white (see what I did there?) answer. It’s more complicated than that. But the Indian mind has some rather unhealthy pathologies, which the more red-pilled Indian men should do their level best to shed and move beyond.
And a good starting point would be to acknowledge that, when it comes to stunning women who take good care of their bodies and skin, India is NOT the place to look.
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Indian beauty standards are based on Indians all having micropenises and also their languages being subhuman, and that women are worshipped as gods because their population is mainly male and thirsty because Indian women can whore around since they are worshipped as gods along with cows. Also lack of eating cow meat makes Indians brains not function due tk malnutrition.
That is an astoundingly stupid and bigoted set of comments that you’ve just made, especially considering the existence of Rabindranath Tagore, the man who wrote India’s national anthem, was a Bengali, a Nobel Laureate for literature, and the man who literally invented much of the modern Bengali language. And that is before we get to the fact that the Indo-European language tree shows significant common ancestry between the majority of northern Indian languages and virtually all European ones.
Furthermore, women in India are treated abominably, particularly in the rural areas. Rape victims are treated as pariahs and criminals, and female infanticide is a very common problem even today.
You have every right to be a racist bigot. That’s up to you. But do at least try to educate yourself about the realities of India before you say such idiotic things.
Hi didactic what are your thoughts on Half Indian, Half White women?
I find Naomi Scott, Asha Leo, Charlotte Lohmann and Samantha Jade very cute and beautiful.
I will say Samantha Jade is unfair since her father was Anglo-Indian, so she is probably only 25% Indian.
What is interesting is most of these women have English fathers and Indian mothers.
Very positive. They can be quite attractive. The (quite small) Anglo-Indian community in India, for instance, is known for producing women who are both beautiful and highly talented. They inherit some of the best genes from both European and Indian cultures.
Yep. Indian women can make good wives to Western men – it’s just not easy due to the extreme differences in cultures.
Didact,
Thanks for answering.
I actually rate Harnaaz Sandhu highly. My beef (pun intended) with Indians is how they shamelessly use the 0.001% apex of Indian women as ‘proof’ that all Indian women are attractive.
In reality, if the gap between Ekaterina Enokaeva and the average Russian woman is X, then the gap between Harnaaz Sandhu and the average Indian woman is 5X.
The essence of my question is why Indians (both men and women) use the apex anecdote as ‘proof’ that India does not have any negatives, such as :
i) A couple of Indian women have won Miss Universe over the years, hence Indian woman are the most attractive in the world.
ii) Some Indian billionaire is the 5th richest man in the world, therefore India is a very wealthy country.
THIS type of questioning, the shameless or super-delusional use of apex, 1 in a million anecdotes as representative of the averages is why I pose the question of whether Indians (both men and women) are either extremely dishonest or (yes) stupid, since to use the ultra-rare apex anecdote as ‘proof’ of the average can fairly be called stupid.
Lastly, I think most Indians on the Internet who write in English (such as it is), even if they haven’t traveled abroad, have at least seen enough Western TV shows and movies, all meet the standard of having been exposed to the better parts of the world, at least in terms of what attractive women look like, that they cannot find refuge in the ‘they have never been out of India’ excuse. That can work for a rural Indian who does not speak English and has little or no Internet access. But not the Indians who write in (bad) English on Quora, etc.
I agree, she is very attractive by Indian standards – easily in the top 0.001% of all women there, as you say. I just think that she’s nowhere near as attractive as Eastern Europeans and certain East Asians. That is just my opinion, of course. But I think that Ms Sandhu is assuredly a hard 9.5 by most standards.
I think you are probably correct.
Yes, I think that, in some cases, Indians do engage in the “fallacy of the biggest” to pretend that extreme outliers somehow represent the entire nation. I have to say that I have not seen much of it, beyond the constant chest-beating about how great the Indian education system is – it really isn’t, outside of the IITs, and then only a few of those.
I do not think it is extreme dishonesty or stupidity. There is certainly SOME dishonesty involved. But a lot of it is due to a lack of any real alternative frame of reference. And I think even more of it is due to a serious inferiority complex that Indians have had since achieving independence. Their entire governing class and academic and media elite, pretty much, seems to think that India was suppressed and repressed by the British Empire, and too many of them overcompensate by bigging up Indian achievements, when those individual achievements have very little to do with India itself.
I think you underestimate the power of the wider culture that they live in. Yes, they may have access to Western TV shows and entertainment – but such shows have very little actual penetration into Indian households. Even Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Prime, which are penetrating heavily into the more affluent middle classes in urban areas, promote Indian content featuring Indian stars, and generally deprecate non-Indian content – because that’s what those Indian natives want.
Indians, in general, tend to be nationalistic, xenophobic, and actually quite racist. But they also have a deep-seated set of insecurities that make it extremely difficult for them to admit that they are wrong, about anything. That is why they tend to hype up their successful businessmen, politicians, and actresses to quite ludicrous levels on the way up – and then heap endless scorn and hatred upon them on their way down. There is a rather good Netherflix special (oxymoron, I know) called “Bad Boy Billionaires of India” – worth watching if you can get it – which showcases this mentality in full.
On the marriage point :
Didact said :
remember that SHE IS SUPPOSED TO DO THE SAME WITH YOU. And if she will not do so – then she ain’t wife material.
Agreed. So about 10% of devout Christian men are likely to find such a rare woman with whom to take the risk.
don’t do it unless you are:
a) EXTREMELY sure of yourself;
b) EVEN MORE SURE of your woman;
c) Willing to take a big risk;
d) Not a quitter; and
e) Most importantly, BOTH willing to put your faith and trust in your Creator;
Agreed again. This, too, seems like something that about 10% of Christian men may in fact find. Dalrock wrote about exactly this for a decade, in more detail than I have every seen anywhere else.
I reckon the percentages are considerably higher than that, particularly in conservative, tight-knit communities in the Bible Belt and in Eastern Europe. But I speculate that it is no higher than 30%, in this day and age – and that’s if you’re very lucky.
Man I miss Dalrock. He was keyed in on something most of the Christian teachers and leaders either can’t see or; because they want popularity, won’t see:
Marriage can’t be just the man groveling for the wife. It must be both, kneeling before Jesus and holding hands to build together. It’s not about who controls the TV remote. It’s about abandoning the TV remote and building to last beyond this world.
Ms. Sandhu is pretty ordinary for women around here in Texas. I’d expect a bigger rack on a contest winner.
I guess beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. That said, I’ve seen more than a few Indians and Pakistani women around that are prettier than her. I will say that on a whole the average Indian woman I see is easier on the eyes than the average black woman here in the states. At least to me.
But black dudes seem to like them (their women).
Reading Roosh has gotten me into reading a lot of the Orthodox literature. Interesting reading, and I like to compare them to my own Roman Catholicism. One thing that stands out is the Catholics these days don’t spend a lot of time contemplating Satan. This wasn’t the case in the past.
The part where I drift away from Orthodoxy is their shunning of the concept of purgatory. If you follow their writings, there’ll be a few dozen people in heaven. The rest of us are screwed, apparently. They have some busted logic. I’ll use an Indian as an example. That Indian (Native American, not dot-Indian) dude was created in the image and likeness of God as well. He hasn’t heard the Word. Still, he’s upright and righteous in his culture, but he can’t get in?