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The tragedy of MGTOW

by | Jan 23, 2020 | Uncategorized | 14 comments

Dave from Blue Collar Logic offers up some cogent and powerful thoughts on the MGTOW movement, which are very much worth reading through in full:

Dave there has far more reason than most to subscribe to the MGTOW movement – which he doesn’t.

He has been divorce-raped himself. He has lost much of what he once had. He lives in a mobile home, barely scraping by with what little income one gets from a YouTube channel that keeps getting its videos demonetised by the (((assholes))) who hate what he has to say.

If anyone should go MGTOW, it’s Dave.

But he doesn’t.

Why?

Because he recognises that MGTOW is a philosophy of abject surrender.

I have written extensively on the subject of MGTOW in the past. As I have stated a number of times before, unlike a lot of members of the Hard Right, I do have quite a bit of empathy and sympathy for those men who, like Dave, trusted in the system and were profoundly broken by the experience.

There are plenty of MGTOW types who did what was expected of them by the wider society that they lived in. They worked hard. They went to college. They got good degrees. They worked in well-paying jobs. They wifed up the first good woman that they could find and love, or at least tolerate. They had children and raised them as best as they knew how.

But they got screwed over, every single time.

Their employers outsourced their jobs and cut them loose without so much as even a sympathetic handshake. Their wives blimped out and became utter hambeasts, devoid of femininity and desirable qualities. Their children were brainwashed by the globohomo cult.

They tried. They really did. And they lost, very nearly everything, to the evil that rules this world.

I sympathise deeply with these men. I have endured some of the same travails myself.

The problem with such men, however, lies in the fact that they spread the sweet poison of surrender to all around them. They claim that it simply is not fair that women are to be chased and men must do the chasing. They argue that women should do their fair share as well, and don’t. And they emphasise the fact that modern society is stacked against men in every possible way.

Their answer to these problems is not to fight back. It is not to take gamble, take risks, and play the game in the hopes of winning it.

Their answer is to check out of the game entirely.

Dave provides some much-needed common sense antidotes to such despair. As he points out, and as I have said before, surrender simply is not a strategy.

Have you ever read The Art of the Deal, one of the books co-authored by His Most Illustrious, Noble, August, Benevolent, and Legendary Celestial Majesty, the God-Emperor of Mankind, Donaldus Triumphus Magnus, the First of His Name? I am reading it right now – it’s been sitting in my reading list for a couple of years now and it’s high time I got around to fixing that particular problem.

In it, the Chaddest of Chads ever to Chad across a stage writes one very simple and profound truth:

Take care of the downside risk, and everything else will sort itself out.

MGTOW types complain endlessly about how the odds of getting a divorce are well over 50% and the chances of getting your ass divorce-raped in court are astronomically high these days. And a superficial reading of the statistics would certainly bear this out.

However, look a bit deeper into those statistics and you will quickly realise that there are a number of serious problems with such a simplistic aggregate analysis.

If you actually look at marriages between people who share similar family backgrounds, educations, religious beliefs, political alignments, and racial characteristics, then the odds of divorce plummet. If you are careful and measured in your assessment of a woman’s downside risk, your odds of divorce aren’t 50% – they are closer to 10%.

Unfortunately, most men do not make this assessment before they get married. Nor do they realise that they, too, have a vitally important part to play in marriage. They forget quite often that as men they are expected to be the head of the house – which is to say, the leader. And being a leader does not mean issuing orders and expecting them to be followed. Being a leader requires providing an example for others to follow.

As Dave points out, his ex-wife bloated up after she gave birth to their children, and never slimmed back down. That was the poison of feminism that flooded her brain and made her fat and lazy, to be sure. And Dave’s story is common enough among modern American families.

But there is another aspect to that story.

Modern American men don’t do enough hard work to keep themselves in shape. Obesity is skyrocketing among the American population, in no small part because men simply refuse to step up and put the damn Twinkie down, get in shape, lift some weights, go for a walk, and make themselves desirable.

If a woman is with a man who makes no effort to seduce her, does not try to improve the quality of his appearance and body, and simply gives up trying to attract his wife… why should she then make any effort to attract him?

And if a man will not have robust, regular, satisfying sex with his wife, then why should she keep herself in good shape at all?

The MGTOW types get one side of the equation roughly right. They argue that women are the problem and that men should simply stop trying to solve that problem, as the quality of the solution is very poor.

But the other half of the equation is missed entirely.

Men have our own role to play in making relationships and marriages work. Men are the natural leaders and creators and builders of societies and civilisations. Without men, order and civility crumble and are replaced with chaos and barbarity. And the people who are always hurt the most in the event of such a collapse are women.

The only way for men to win at the game is to take a shot and try it in the first place. Checking out of the game is simply not an answer.

By checking out and refusing to take part, the MGTOW types spread an attitude of defeat and misery among the very troops that we need in order to win the fight for Western civilisation. Those same young men are currently retreating into vidyagamesnporn, which are deeply destructive to a man’s psyche, his desire to procreate and build for the future, and his masculine energy and vitality.

Those young men do not need to be told constantly to check out and avoid responsibility. They need positive masculine role models to follow, and institutions that support them in their journeys of self-discovery.

These days, thanks to the power of the Internet, we have precisely such an institution. We have the Manosphere, and within its labyrinthine corridors, a young man can find everything that he could possibly want or need in order to set himself on the path to self-improvement, knowledge, wisdom, temperance, and inner as well as outer strength.

When harnessed and put to productive use, the masculine energies that every young man carries inside of himself can level mountains, crush boulders, tame seas, build cities, paint and sculpt and carve magnificent works of art, compose soaring and uplifting symphonies, and create monuments to Man’s ingenuity that will last for centuries.

When let loose and turned to destructive ends, without any form of temperance or control or guidance, those same masculine energies turn to rapine and pillaging, suicide bombings and mass shootings, enslavement and abuse of the weak and fearful, and tearing down civilisation.

But when it is not developed at all… what then does a man become, but a useless, joyless, lumpen waste of flesh and bone?

It is worth pointing out that faith is a powerful motivator for a young man to turn away from the philosophy of surrender and toward productive ends. The redeeming power of the Lord is a remarkable thing indeed. The fruits of the Holy Spirit are such that men who have been touched by its grace and beauty are capable of turning away from sin wholesale, simply because they find its presence unbearable.

Such men have been known to simply stop watching porn overnight; stop wasting time on endless and pointless alternate video game realities and start engaging with the real world; stop masturbating endlessly; even stop drinking and smoking or swearing, cold turkey. And all of that is because their spirits become united with something far greater, more powerful, and more pure than they can even imagine – yet they feel its power nonetheless.

Those of you who have been around for a while will recognise how my own writing has been thus affected. Look back about six years and you will find articles that I wrote in which I pointed out what a terrible idea marriage is and why only a fool would get married these days. Fast forward to the modern day, and you’ll see me advocating strongly for traditional marriage between one man and one woman, because that is the only kind that makes sense.

What gives? What made me change from someone who had kind of checked out myself, to someone who is looking to get back into the game and win it?

Simple. As Dave points out in his video, the only way to win is to play in the first place. And only losers give up playing before the very first die is cast.

In fact, that shows us the true tragedy of the MGTOW movement.

By preaching surrender and retreat, the MGTOW types are actually arguing for men to waste away their potential. The young men who check out of modern society completely are precisely the ones who could change it for the better, and thereby fulfill their own vast human potential in the process.

But they don’t do it. They waste their lives and themselves.

And that, my friends, is truly tragic.

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14 Comments

  1. Kraemer

    Could it be argued that MGTOW is what happens when Deltas have no real Alphas to follow, when all their role models are crap? The odds have always been stacked against young men. Before divorce rape, it was things like wars and diseases that got them and theirs. It used to be reasonable to expect to have eight kids, of which maybe three would reach adulthood. Modern divorce is actually good in such that at least nobody dies.
    So what do y'all think? Is MGTOW a uniquely modern phenomenon due to Feminism on the women's end and Vidyagemsnporn on the men's end or is it just Deltas with nothing to shoot for?

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    • Didact

      Could it be argued that MGTOW is what happens when Deltas have no real Alphas to follow, when all their role models are crap?

      I do not think so, because there are quite a few highly socially and sexually successful leaders and Alpha-male types who have gone MGTOW. Furthermore, much of the MGTOW crowd these days is made up of Gammas, not Deltas. The problem with taking the MGTOW course is that Gammas who do so are automatically removing themselves from the very courses of action required to turn into Deltas – and it is very good to be a Delta.

      Modern divorce is actually good in such that at least nobody dies.

      It all depends on your frame of reference. If you take a secular approach and argue in terms of death and suffering, yes, in the modern era of peace, prosperity, stability, and ever-increasing life expectancies, divorce isn't so bad. But if you look at it through a more spiritual lens, then it quickly becomes apparent that divorce is an absolute tragedy.

      Divorce involves tearing apart two bodies that became one, and – worse – two souls as well.

      Is MGTOW a uniquely modern phenomenon due to Feminism on the women's end and Vidyagemsnporn on the men's end or is it just Deltas with nothing to shoot for?

      My view is that MGTOW is not uniquely modern at all – Nikolai Tesla was a MGTOW in his own way – but rather a dangerously misguided and personally destructive path to permanent Gammatude.

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    • Kraemer

      Thanks for the reply. I suppose I should have factored in the eternal gammatude, as this is in fact the internet, aka the place where posturing is easiest.

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  2. JohnC

    MGTOW is like Atheism. Some men can do MGTOW (low 1 to 5%) but they mostly keep quiet and work on projects, praying to god or going on long journeys. They know that it is not what normal men do and realize that if a society follows them it would break down, leaving many unhappy homes and a culture lost left only in the history books.

    Most of the MGTOW you see online today are men spreading poison. Remember misery loves company. Too many of them will talk about the black pills of having a serious relationship with a woman in a western country.

    Yes divorce can happen, yes the courts are bias, yes women think differently than men do, yes men are looked as disposable sex by both the society and culture. Yes at this moment in time ruling class hates you, your ancestries, your religion and wants to replace you. Lastly yes it mean putting in hard work (both money, health, time and emotion) in the risk of separation.

    They are leaving out the joy that you can have in a good relationships and of course kids. When ask about the relationship often risk is brought up. Like life is not full of risk. They have no real good answer for men wanting children without getting into a relationship with a woman. The three answers I have seen is either get a surrogate and rising the child up as a single man, science will solve this (not an answer for today) or the risk is too high and you can enjoy life without children.

    The thing is that there is never going to be a perfect time to be a man. Forming a long term relationship with women is tough in the west and requires a lot of investment and kids make it even more of a challenge.
    But what is the alternative?
    Being alone. Yes you will, have lots of money and time but no one to share it with (Barring some friends who will leave you) and no investment in the future since you do not have children.

    Also if you love the West not the modern feminist, multi culturally, anti christian, open boarders but the one that brought you such building projects such as the Sistine chapel, Notre Dameor and the Big Ben. Or the great music, painting, songs, poetry, plays, books, history, heroes and interesting techs (such as the watch). And lastly if you love the people and the religion that they follow Christianity, then you must fight and take risk. You must form relationship and have kids because who after you pass into that good night is going to carry on the traditions and the hope? The new migrates have their own culture, religion and art they don't want yours.

    So white Men take the risk, ask that girl out and if she is wife (and mother) material put a ring on it. Play the game because God knows other men will

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    • A.B. Prosper

      I'm not religious to speak of. but its obvious that if you are Christian you are commanded to be fruitful and multiply or serve in a monastic /celibate way , one or the other so go do that. MGTOW defies God's commandments

      I would say for many non religious men MGTOW is probably a better option.

      Go live your own life for yourself and not throw yourself onto a fire to save a society that must collapse or go to war with itself to be restored, if it can be restored at all.

      Now this just isn't a White problem, China for example has the lowest fertility it has had since it as founded and that is despite more pro natal policies. Both nations and several others are probably at record lows.

      In the West at least want to marry young (25 an under) kind, feminine and loyal women and they simply aren't available.

      Far too many women have made their choice on that matter and that is no.

      Well men can also say no and so they should refuse a bad deal.

      Long term this will all correct itself anyway. At current rates the US will be Amish, Evangelical , LDS and Devout Catholic in its entirety in a couple of centuries,

      This will end the mouse utopia and mankind will go back to the lives they evolved for.

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    • Didact

      MGTOW defies God's commandments

      This is correct. Christians are commanded to stand firm in the face of evil. MGTOW preaches that one should abandon the field of battle completely and cede it to evil – which is the same as siding with evil in the end. Not only is MGTOW a strategy of surrender – it is ultimately a philosophy of unwitting agreement with evil.

      I would say for many non religious men MGTOW is probably a better option

      This is not correct. To go MGTOW means to deny oneself the ability to build the very foundations that make one better as a man. To become a MGTOW these days does not mean self-improvement, the way it used to; nowadays, MGTOWs are overwhelmingly obsessed with sperging on internet forums about how awful women are, how doomed we all are, and how stupid people (like me) are for saying that we can and should fight.

      The future belongs to those who show up for it. MGTOWs cannot and will not do so, which means that they have no future.

      Go live your own life for yourself and not throw yourself onto a fire to save a society that must collapse or go to war with itself to be restored, if it can be restored at all.

      Who said anything about throwing oneself onto a fire? Since when is it self-destructive to try to build a family, a business, a community? Since when is it self-sacrificing to invest in oneself physically, morally, and especially spiritually?

      In the West at least want to marry young (25 an under) kind, feminine and loyal women and they simply aren't available.

      If you spend your time in the big cities, like New York – i.e. Gomorrah on the Hudson – I agree. I would know. I spent over a decade in such environments in the USA, and it was MISERABLE. But what exactly stops a man from moving to find better prospects elsewhere?

      Well men can also say no and so they should refuse a bad deal.

      MGTOW isn't about refusing a bad deal. MGTOW is about completely refusing to deal in the first place.

      Bad deals are those in which the downside risks are so great that the upsides aren't worth the price. But every deal requires some kind of risk. Good deals involve risk mitigation and reduction.

      MGTOW isn't about risk mitigation. MGTOW is about abandoning risk altogether. You cannot profit without taking some risks – that is a bedrock rule of money, sex, marriage, and life.

      At current rates the US will be Amish, Evangelical , LDS and Devout Catholic in its entirety in a couple of centuries,

      Probably earlier than that, if the trends hold steady. Like I said – the future belongs to those who show up for it. MGTOWs have damned themselves to irrelevance over time – so why should men sign up to be irrelevant?

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  3. Kapios

    It's probably best if men got to play an entirely different game than the one they are playing. If you want to wife up, you don't settle in California, or perhaps any city or country with heavy western influence. Why ''stay n' fight'' in a place that is too hostile to you when you can pack your stuff and move to a better place to practice religion and start a family?

    American is going to down despite Trump in office. He is just printing the USD to oblivion just like every other continent/country in the world, and although he is fighting to accomplish some good objectives, feminism has reached too far. It's beyond the point of saving. MGTOW's, get out of the sinking ship, but do land safely on to another to keep your sanity.

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    • Didact

      All correct and valid points. Everything you pointed out relates to what the God-Emperor called "taking care of the downside".

      One of Aaron Clarey's seminal posts relates to how we can go back to the 1950s whenever we want, if only we have the will to do what is necessary. MGTOW types complain endlessly about how awful the modren world is – and it is, for sure. But they don't actually want to do anything about it, or take any steps toward fixing the problem.

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  4. emery

    Dave, in the video presented, doesn't look obese. Your advice to put down the twinkie would not have helped his situation. I agree that looking hot helps manage attraction with your wife but I dispute that it's some sort of panacea for wife obesity problems.

    The heart of MGTOW's issue is that there's no longer a template for success. My thesis is 'Learned Helplessness'. There are no solid, consistent (emphasis here), examples of what a man can do to attain societal and personal fulfillment. If men were told that they had to slay a dragon with a sword and would, 100%, get a nice wife fortune and kids men would strive towards it and not complain too much about it even with a 99% kill rate. MGTOW wasn't around when it was 'work 100 hours a week at the company', 'journey to the new world' or 'conquer those lands before you'. Even if it's hard as long as men absolutely knew the goal in front of them and you would see MGTOW as a movement evaporate.

    Today it's all inconsistent:
    Follow the disney/facebook standards of male behavior? Live like a sexless cuck (fail)
    Join a megachurch? Get divorced and shamed for trying to be a man by churchian false teachers (fail)
    Be incredibly famous? Many stories of celebrities on their Xth marriage (fail)
    Be incredibly rich? Bezo's ex wife just became the richest woman in the world, his wealth couldn't stop the divorce and he could afford the most expensive lawyers in human history (fail)
    Be incredibly good looking? Men are 'told' it doesn't work and it also demonstrably doesn't teach the game you need to maintain a marriage, many hottie soldier boys come home cucked (fail)

    And the worst part is that sometimes it does work. The problem that leads to the learned helplessness is that there doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason to it. You'll see a complete soy boy with a hottie one day and see Chad Thundercock blow his brains out because he lost everything the next. And what happens when Learned Helplessness sets in is inaction, it's a complete mechanistic reaction to randomness. That's why men check out.

    Here the moneyshot: "But they don't actually want to do anything about it, or take any steps toward fixing the problem." They don't know what those steps are in part because no one can point at a guy and say , "do that". Incidentally men who have been extra-traumatized into a deeper learned helplessness won't even look for answers anymore.

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    • Dire Badger

      Yeah, we basically need a true church again. One that teaches the real rules. How to recognize a worthwhile woman. How to attract and keep her. How to follow Jesus and fight back against the world's evil.

      I loved "The Heretics of Saint Possenti" but it was a pipe dream… The RCC is far too cucked to allow it to happen, and even if they did the true men of faith seem to be few and far between… and those men of faith often have absolutely zero understanding of what is going on in the real world outside of the church's walls.

      The problem with such a church lies in the basic rule of convergence. "Those institutions that are not expressly anti-liberal will eventually become liberal.". The existing institutions were created during a time when the world was hard, and fighting back against that hardness was their greatest job… they were unprepared when the world took a turn in the opposite direction towards extreme Liberalism, and in their quest to maintain their status quo they have to keep moving farther left than the prevailing culture.

      The churches were literally corrupted by their own impulse towards charity, understanding, and sympathy, and I have yet to see a single church that actually follows the word of Jesus that has NOT moved it's goalposts to try and corner the market on 'niceness'.

      The steps are all over the place. Dalrock, Vox Popoli, the archived spearhead, even occasionally right here. The rules are readily available IF YOU KNOW WHERE TO LOOK… but most men, reared in this apallingly liberal environment, have no clue where to start cutting their way through the layers of bullshit.

      They have no starting place, and even if they find something, if they are not geniuses, how can they apply those rules to their own life and reality? It's not always so clear, especially for those who have trouble grasping the often arrogant verbal gymnastics of those who have figured some of them.

      THAT is where a true man of God can come into play. He can be the interpreter, helping 'average joe' puzzle through the mountain of Oral Diarrhea that even the most down-to-earth tends to spew in order to maintain their sense of self-worth. They have the Unique viewpoint of being IN the world but not OF the world, and are close enough that they can literally just tell a dude, "Okay, she cheated on you? She's going to divorce you. From this moment on you have to think of her as your worst enemy. STOP thinking of her as your best friend and trusted companion, She HATES you and will destroy you. Here's how to prepare your case and yourself to fight back… She has ruined your family, but let's get ready to protect your next one…"

      That is the classic priesthood leader's job… to help protect their flock from spiritual destruction, and NOTHING is more spiritually destructive than a selfish and vindictive bitch that betrays you and steals your life and family out from under you.

      We need a new church, and I sincerely hope that Christ or John pops down here to find and baptise the right person to start it.

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    • Didact

      Dave, in the video presented, doesn't look obese. Your advice to put down the twinkie would not have helped his situation. I agree that looking hot helps manage attraction with your wife but I dispute that it's some sort of panacea for wife obesity problems.

      My point was not about Dave specifically. It was about men in marriage in general.

      The heart of MGTOW's issue is that there's no longer a template for success. My thesis is 'Learned Helplessness'.

      If helplessness can be "learned", then it can also be "unlearned". The templates for success exist all over the internet. As our friend Dire Badger points out above, there are plenty of places to go looking – but a man has to have the will and the courage to go looking.

      Far from being inconsistent or nonexistent, the templates preached by men like Dalrock, His Voxness, Rollo, Roosh, and yes, yours truly, are highly consistent.

      Lift heavy shit. Build and preserve wealth. Travel and gain experience IN the world, but do not be OF the world. Love God with all your heart, and trust in the Lord to give you wisdom and strength. Do not pursue women for the sake of sex, but rather for marriage and children. Stand firm against evil and do not yield in the face of aggression.

      In other words – be the best man that you can be.

      This is what the churches USED to teach, as did society at large. The fact that our most valued institutions no longer do so, is not really cause for despair. It simply means that we have to build our own institutions from scratch.

      They don't know what those steps are in part because no one can point at a guy and say , "do that".

      Oh really? I can point to at least five men and say, "DO THAT" – and four of them read this blog. One of them left a lengthy comment upstairs.

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    • emery

      ["If helplessness can be "learned", then it can also be "unlearned". ]

      This is the key point I would like to address. I'm gonna start by saying that my statement about lack of examples of men to point to was wrong, there are good examples though I still do note that men have to really scratch and dig to both find them and discern them from false teachers. Rollo, Roosh, Didact, etc have had good discovery.

      I read up on 'learned helplessness', as the test results defined it, and assert that the solution is going to have to be very different than my own 'pointing at good examples' or your 'lift, wealth, travel'. I remembered the term for the right reason but I interpreted it wrong. God can solve it but that goes without argument.

      [source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness]
      The summary is that:
      -dogs will escape an electrified floor, obviously
      -dogs who cannot escape lay down and whine. The laying down and whining matches most MGTOW haters description of them which is a big sign of what's happening to men here.
      -dogs who learned helplessness, when placed in a box they COULD escape, did not try. This is huge. Something switched off in their brains and escape became invisible to them. In theology terms I would call these the chains of spiritual bondage.

      From the article: [" In Seligman's hypothesis, the dogs do not try to escape because they expect that nothing they do will stop the shock. To change this expectation, experimenters physically picked up the dogs and moved their legs, replicating the actions the dogs would need to take in order to escape from the electrified grid. This had to be done at least twice before the dogs would start willfully jumping over the barrier on their own. In contrast, threats, rewards, and observed demonstrations had no effect on the "helpless" Group 3 dogs"]

      Note that threats and rewards (telling men to man up for reason X) and observed demonstrations (good example) did not work. No matter how much you say they will gain the promise of reward will just bounce off. Mocking and bullying will similarly have little effect. They had to be physically puppeted to start opening up their minds. In the case of men like you and I this means they need someone to somehow force an expectation change or God to shine a miracle on them, probably two miracles going by the dog results.

      I suppose that's the reason your words frustrate me so much. I don't disagree with what you say, living righteously is good, lifting is good, etc. But the advice observably doesn't land with those who need it the most and the Group 3 dogs explain why in a way that fits the real life results the best. In short being right doesn't solve the problem, solving the problem is going to solve the problem. Spiritual bondage is a bitch.

      PS: I have no idea what puppetting a dog's legs to mimic escape into actual escape would look like for a human. Perhaps this was the role of the father in the old days who could push his son along while he had authority over him, as well as old systems like Prom night or Sadie Hawkins which made the stakes so low that it might as well be puppetting your children into 'success'. The article also notes that having the mere option of escape can blunt the worst of learned helplessness – legalized prostitution? Or at-fault marriage where the man can easily move on after a failed marriage would be enough.

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    • Didact

      I'm gonna start by saying that my statement about lack of examples of men to point to was wrong, there are good examples though I still do note that men have to really scratch and dig to both find them and discern them from false teachers.

      It's good of you to admit that your assertion was wrong. I agree with you that it is difficult to find good advice these days. However, I note that this is the nature of truth. It is supposed to be hard to find and the process of searching it out tends to be highly unpleasant – which is why most people don't bother.

      I don't disagree with what you say, living righteously is good, lifting is good, etc. But the advice observably doesn't land with those who need it the most and the Group 3 dogs explain why in a way that fits the real life results the best. In short being right doesn't solve the problem, solving the problem is going to solve the problem.

      Again, I agree with you. As other commenters have pointed out, and as I have said as well, the problem is that the institutions that should have done the job of making men out of boys, have failed spectacularly to do this.

      The most important of these institutions is the family, which is under extreme assault from all sides. That is the first place for boys to become civilised young men, but it isn't happening anymore.

      The one point that you miss in your analysis is that the dogs who simply lie down and accept their fate are the ones who know clearly that they have no hope of escape. The dogs who are shown just once that they can escape, will continue to try to find ways to do so.

      The men of the modern world are not like those dogs who have NO hope of escape. There is always hope – but a man has to find that within himself first.

      Only then will he be able to look for truth.

      This blog is not capable of pushing men without hope into having it. Nothing and no one on this Earth can do that. Men have to find that within themselves.

      Once that hope is found, it is assaulted from all sides – which is where blogs like mine come in.

      My purpose is to give men hope that there is something better out there, and to show them the way to get to it. The same is true of any number of Manosphere and Hard Right blogs, channels, podcasts, and media personalities out there.

      The article also notes that having the mere option of escape can blunt the worst of learned helplessness – legalized prostitution? Or at-fault marriage where the man can easily move on after a failed marriage would be enough.

      Indeed. I support legalised prostitution – I think it's a terrible idea to use prostitutes, but the alternative of a completely sexless and joyless life without female companionship of any kind strikes me as far, FAR worse for society as a whole. And it is clear that with sexbots rapidly becoming widely available and more realistic every single day, we are staring right down the barrel of an explosive shift in the balance of power in the Sexual Market Place.

      The suffering and misery that millions of men have been through for the past fifty years is still going to be there. But there are already numerous alternatives out there, and more are coming.

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  5. Post Alley Crackpot

    "Yeah, we basically need a true church again …"

    You're not the only one.

    Someone who knows me asked me a while back if I were some kind of MGTOW, to which I replied that there would be no such need to follow that path.

    I'm already Buddhist, the Dharma takes me wherever I need to go.

    But I remember meeting in California many years ago an abbot of a Japanese monastery who seemed to be doing the Bodhidharma walk-about thing not only because the Dharma was taking him wherever he needed to go, but also because his monastery was in dire need of a new abbot.

    And there he was in California, hoping that perhaps one of those students sitting zazen-like and humming like a demented fly was going to answer the call.

    Why not me? I already had students, and after a short discussion, he admitted that my students were far worse than any of his.

    Not a single student dared to say the obvious: "But all students are horrible!"

    Because if one of those students had dared to do that, we could have settled the abbot's problem right then and there.

    I've been to the monastery since, it's in a beautiful part of Western Japan, but the abbot's long gone. He eventually found someone before he died, but I could sense that the monastery is slowly sliding into that pattern of being a secular tourist destination rather than a religious one.

    This is like Western secular tourists visiting churches for the architecture and the stained glass windows.

    They go to Paul Virilio's old "bunker church" in Nevers to complain about the brutal architecture and the inclined surfaces that make the penitent work for their prayers, rather than understanding that these features are a required part of the experience.

    The locals never seemed to like the place: it reminds them too much of their obligations to do spiritual work as well as their obligations to the past.

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