21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. 22 Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He [h]made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.
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which also raises the question of how you think you’re even going to get the attention of a creature which created everything in known space that we have ever observed.
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He never had a chance to repent at all because the Christian god decided it wasn’t time yet for the incarnation…
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by this logic, no Jew dying before the Crucifiction could have repented either. yet Abraham’s Bosom is a thing. also, while the Jews were the chosen of God, the OT does claim that prophets were given directly to the gentiles as well as to the Jews.
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men are constrained by Time. why would you think that the Creator of Time would ( or could ) be constrained by Time?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Peter+3%3A8&version=NKJV
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
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Let us consider this assumption: all the myths are true. There is a Christian god, there is Allah, there is Yahweh, there is Buddha(s), there are angels, there are demons, and who knows what else.
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neither Judaism nor Christianity denies the existence of other “gods”. however, it is a non-sequitur to assume the Truth presented of every god, especially given that most of them explicitly contradict each other. what Logic dictates here is that either all or most purported gods are liars, whatever their supernatural status or capabilities.
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trust me, the Aztecs would have been infinitely happ-umm… that’s the wrong word, let’s try “better off”… if they had riddled those fancy galleons with fire arrows and sent the Conquistadores to a watery grave.
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for a multiplicity of reasons, this is one of the most bizarre scenarios i’ve ever been presented. do they no longer teach the Spanish conquest of central America any more?
* – the Spanish ships WERE burned
* – Cortes burned the ships himself, in order to prevent desertions and timidity on the part of his soldiers
* – the Aztecs ( and many other central/South American cultures ) were some of the most overtly Satanic societies to ever exist. violent living human sacrifices were commonplace. children were constantly being ritually murdered. it used to be that modern “historians” and “anthropologists’ claimed that there were no towers of skulls, that the whole thing was a blood libel fiction invented by the conquistadores in order to justify their actions and suppression of Aztec rituals.
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then they the found a tzompantli. with over 600 skulls racked.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/new-find-brings-skulls-discovered-aztec-tower-over-600-180976543/

Well indeed. If humanity had stuck to the original plan God had in mind, His direct intervention would have been completely unnecessary. The curses God laid down in Genesis 4 would never have occurred. Adam and Eve would have had their children as lawful married stewards of Creation, living in harmony with all around them, and humanity would have joined God’s heavenly family as His physical custodians of the world.

It is because we rebelled and ignored the Word of God, that the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us. God the Father sent God the Son to fix the Lord’s Creation, through a free gift of salvation, for all willing to take Him up on His offer.

Those are not my words. The Big Cheese Himself said it, repeatedly, in all of the Gospels.

Bear in mind, as well, that there are in fact MULTIPLE rebellions in the Old Testament. Even most Christians do not realise that there were at least 3 rebellions – the Fall of the Angels, the Fall of Man, and the construction of the Tower of Babel.

That raises a further question, why would the original plan have required Jesus coming down to earth at all? Think about it, Adam and Eve in this theoretical timeline don’t fuck up. Ergo there is no need for Jesus to come down and die for mankind, for mankind has not fallen.

The best response I can give you is not actually mine, it comes from Fr. Chad Ripperger, a Vatican-trained Catholic exorcist. He says – based on his reading of the theology and ideas of St. Thomas Aquinas – that every angel was and is created for a very specific purpose. You can watch the full video for yourself, based on this snippet.

Lucifer’s task, as his name suggests, was to bring the light of knowledge and God’s grace to the world – very much as you say.

He rebelled against it, because he saw the coming of Jesus Christ, and saw the spirit of Jesus was far more beautiful and luminous than his own. For that reason, he rebelled, and said he would not serve.

Hence his rebellion, for which he and the other rebellious angels were cast out of Heaven, and his collapse into disgrace and eternal damnation.

That does imply something disturbing…if Lucifer both before and after the fall is beautiful, wonderous, majestic, etc…

Does that not suggest he was designed to be the original “emissary” between man and god? Think about it, if you can create multiple beings for multiple purposes then why send the cherub or the eye-ring thing for that task? It’s like sending a fat, black, 65 year old black bubba janitor to be your sponsored entry to the Miss Universe contest.

Again, your understanding of “image” is probably a bit off. This is nothing to be ashamed of – most Christians don’t understand this part of the Bible very well either. Go watch Dr. Michael S. Heiser‘s take on this. The “image” of God is almost certainly a FUNCTIONAL one, not a literal one, because God is spirit who can become flesh.

The “image” of God is a STATUS, not an appearance. It is a FUNCTION, not a quality. According to the Bible, which is actually very clear on this in the original Hebrew, humans have a very special status in Creation. We are His stewards and shepherds over the natural world, just as the angels of the Heavenly Council are the stewards of the spiritual one. Our failure to accept the responsibility to manage and steward physical Creation, is the reason why we are sinful, broken, and evil.

As for the radical differences in appearance between men and angels – think about what most bugs look like under microscope. They look absolutely terrifying. Yet, they clearly have a function and a design behind them. The same thing is true for angels. They look terrifying to humans, but that is simply because they have a function and design we do not understand particularly well.

In fact, the Bible states very clearly that Lucifer appears as a beautiful and seductive vision of light – that’s literally his name, “Lightgiver”. Think about what that means – the angels of God look terrifying, but Satan looks beautiful – and think about what that means from a spiritual perspective.