Comments on: The Prigozhin putsch post-mortem

By: furor kek tonicus ( "fake and gay" is not redundancy, it's emphasis of the syllable )

Mon, 03 Jul 2023 04:02:05 +0000

“The bit you are missing is that the Russian government has ordered Prigozhin to exit all of his business interests in Russia, within one month. This is the most clear possible indication to me that Prigozhin’s mutiny was real.”
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you see, i would say that
IF this is a maskirova
THEN simply being sent to exile in Belarus would not be sufficient as a cover story for Prigozhin. there would HAVE to be “serious” consequences to Prigozhin, otherwise no one would take it seriously. and it’s simply absurd to think that any nation would continue making contract payments to someone who has threatened to coup the HNIC, whether duly elected el presidente, tyrannical dictator or hereditary royalty.

By: Didact

Didact — Sun, 02 Jul 2023 18:31:00 +0000

In reply to furor kek tonicus ( i demand that Biden disavow his treasonous endorsement of “Let’s go, Brandon” ).

The bit you are missing is that the Russian government has ordered Prigozhin to exit all of his business interests in Russia, within one month. This is the most clear possible indication to me that Prigozhin’s mutiny was real. The method used here is exactly what Putin has done before with other allies/rivals-turned-enemies. He did the same thing with Boris Berezovskiy and Sergei Pugachyov, and he was even more ruthless about it with Mikhail Khodorkovskiy. He leaves them alive, but breaks their business interests away from them and subsumes them within the Russian state – under the cover of Russian law. We must always keep in mind that Putin is an extremely legalistic man, and that he is, in his own way, actually quite humane – he is resolutely opposed to reinstating the death penalty, for instance.

Therefore, Putin will not have Prigozhin killed, at least not directly. He will instead reduce him to servitude and imprisonment, far away from home, isolated, alone, and broken. For a man with an ego like Prigozhin’s, that is a fate in some ways worse than death. Moreover, by sticking strictly to the confines of Russian law, Putin also prevents Prigozhin from becoming a martyr – which he could easily become, since a considerable chunk of the Russian population is highly sympathetic to Prigozhin’s view that Russia must prosecute a much harsher, much more ruthless and brutal war.

Putin has put on a masterclass of statecraft and strategy. He really is worthy of the title, “Neo-Tsar”. He is better at this game than anyone since Stalin.

By: furor kek tonicus ( i demand that Biden disavow his treasonous endorsement of "Let's go, Brandon" )

Sun, 02 Jul 2023 04:20:57 +0000

in my estimation, we should know what side this falls on by the end of the year.
1 – if Prigozhin is dead by the end of the year, it was a real coup attempt
2 – if Wagner launches on Kiev this fall, it was a covert redeployment of troops from Ukraine’s southeast to north of Kiev
3 – if both happen, it was a hybrid operation. a loyalty test for Prigozhin ( which he will have failed ) turned into a strategic redeployment
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if 1 doesn’t happen, Prigozhin probably accepted Western bribes with Putin’s permission
if 2 doesn’t happen, the coup attempt was real until Prigozhin and men realized just how few they were.
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Andrew Anglin seems to think that the coup was real but that Putin should honor the exile agreement and allow Prigozhin to retire to Belarus. this recommendation baffles me. if Prigozhin actually meant to do what the Western presstitutes are claiming, he’s a straight up traitor. and Putin has had people killed for far less. it’s not as if Prigozhin can be considered trustworthy or a man of his word now.

By: John T

John T — Sat, 01 Jul 2023 17:10:05 +0000

I still think it’s a maskirovka. Do we know that any pilots died? Did we see any bodies? What were their names?

If we can fly drones remotely, we can also fly helicopters remotely…