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		By: Didact		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2023 08:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2023/02/the-wests-belated-rediscovery-of-manoeuvre-warfare.html#comment-7744&quot;&gt;Tom Kratman&lt;/a&gt;.

Based on what evidence? As I have pointed out repeatedly, all of the available data, from both Russian and Ukrainian sources (non-governmental ones, in both cases), point to hideous losses among the latter, and painful but quite manageable losses among the former. The disparities in firepower are so severe - at least 10:1 in terms of artillery alone - that logic dictates it is impossible for Ukraine to avoid heavy casualties. And they insist on continuing to feed men into meat-grinders all over the battlefield, especially in Bakhmut.

The video evidence from social media in Ukraine points to cemeteries overflowing with the dead, and with thousands of fresh graves added every week - but no such analogues come out of Russian social media, and the Russians have much higher degrees of social media freedoms than Ukrainians do.

All the available evidence points to a severe crisis of manpower on the Ukrainian side, with repeated waves of forced mobilisation taking place all over what remains of the country and laws being passed to forcibly return men aged between 18 and 60 who fled to other countries in Europe. This could not happen if they had sustained &quot;only&quot; 40K dead, given their original army size of over 200K with at least 500K in reserves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2023/02/the-wests-belated-rediscovery-of-manoeuvre-warfare.html#comment-7744">Tom Kratman</a>.</p>
<p>Based on what evidence? As I have pointed out repeatedly, all of the available data, from both Russian and Ukrainian sources (non-governmental ones, in both cases), point to hideous losses among the latter, and painful but quite manageable losses among the former. The disparities in firepower are so severe &#8211; at least 10:1 in terms of artillery alone &#8211; that logic dictates it is impossible for Ukraine to avoid heavy casualties. And they insist on continuing to feed men into meat-grinders all over the battlefield, especially in Bakhmut.</p>
<p>The video evidence from social media in Ukraine points to cemeteries overflowing with the dead, and with thousands of fresh graves added every week &#8211; but no such analogues come out of Russian social media, and the Russians have much higher degrees of social media freedoms than Ukrainians do.</p>
<p>All the available evidence points to a severe crisis of manpower on the Ukrainian side, with repeated waves of forced mobilisation taking place all over what remains of the country and laws being passed to forcibly return men aged between 18 and 60 who fled to other countries in Europe. This could not happen if they had sustained &#8220;only&#8221; 40K dead, given their original army size of over 200K with at least 500K in reserves.</p>
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		By: Tom Kratman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Kratman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2023 04:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2023/02/the-wests-belated-rediscovery-of-manoeuvre-warfare.html#comment-7742&quot;&gt;Didact&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m deeply skeptical of those figures.  Their casualties are probably within 10-20% of each other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2023/02/the-wests-belated-rediscovery-of-manoeuvre-warfare.html#comment-7742">Didact</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m deeply skeptical of those figures.  Their casualties are probably within 10-20% of each other.</p>
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		By: Tom Kratman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Kratman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2023 21:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2023/02/the-wests-belated-rediscovery-of-manoeuvre-warfare.html#comment-7739&quot;&gt;furor kek tonicus ( of course the Derp State people telling you that men can get pregnant are claiming that Russia bombed Nordstream )&lt;/a&gt;.

Very much like the US Government, yes, only with more skill and conviction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2023/02/the-wests-belated-rediscovery-of-manoeuvre-warfare.html#comment-7739">furor kek tonicus ( of course the Derp State people telling you that men can get pregnant are claiming that Russia bombed Nordstream )</a>.</p>
<p>Very much like the US Government, yes, only with more skill and conviction.</p>
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		By: Didact		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Didact]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2023 23:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2023/02/the-wests-belated-rediscovery-of-manoeuvre-warfare.html#comment-7738&quot;&gt;Tom Kratman&lt;/a&gt;.

I know of Col. Macgregor, sir - I always enjoy listening to what he says, he speaks freely on Judge Andrew Napolitano&#039;s livestreams. He is of the strong opinion that Ukraine has suffered catastrophic casualties, well in excess of 150K. I know where he is getting that number - it comes from a leaked document of the Ukrainian General Staff, which I have seen floating around on Telegram. It looks authentic, and jives well with what I have seen of Ukrainian cemeteries overflowing with dead.

The problem - for Western analysts, anyway - is that no such analogue exists for the Russians. There is no evidence of mass graves in Russia - though you will find videos showing graves of hundreds (not thousands) of Wagner soldiers in one particular place, and there is photographic evidence of dozens of dead Wagner fighters in a single field, who seemed to die from a catastrophic chain reaction in a minefield. But there is simply no evidence available of anything like even 40K dead on the Russian side.

The total number of Russian dead appears to be, as far as I can tell, 15-20K. But the total number of Ukrainian dead is assuredly well over 100K - they wouldn&#039;t be on their eleventyfirst wave of &quot;mobilisation&quot; (read: press-ganging) if it were otherwise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2023/02/the-wests-belated-rediscovery-of-manoeuvre-warfare.html#comment-7738">Tom Kratman</a>.</p>
<p>I know of Col. Macgregor, sir &#8211; I always enjoy listening to what he says, he speaks freely on Judge Andrew Napolitano&#8217;s livestreams. He is of the strong opinion that Ukraine has suffered catastrophic casualties, well in excess of 150K. I know where he is getting that number &#8211; it comes from a leaked document of the Ukrainian General Staff, which I have seen floating around on Telegram. It looks authentic, and jives well with what I have seen of Ukrainian cemeteries overflowing with dead.</p>
<p>The problem &#8211; for Western analysts, anyway &#8211; is that no such analogue exists for the Russians. There is no evidence of mass graves in Russia &#8211; though you will find videos showing graves of hundreds (not thousands) of Wagner soldiers in one particular place, and there is photographic evidence of dozens of dead Wagner fighters in a single field, who seemed to die from a catastrophic chain reaction in a minefield. But there is simply no evidence available of anything like even 40K dead on the Russian side.</p>
<p>The total number of Russian dead appears to be, as far as I can tell, 15-20K. But the total number of Ukrainian dead is assuredly well over 100K &#8211; they wouldn&#8217;t be on their eleventyfirst wave of &#8220;mobilisation&#8221; (read: press-ganging) if it were otherwise.</p>
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		By: furor kek tonicus ( of course the Derp State people telling you that men can get pregnant are claiming that Russia bombed Nordstream )		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2023 02:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2023/02/the-wests-belated-rediscovery-of-manoeuvre-warfare.html#comment-7737&quot;&gt;Tom Kratman&lt;/a&gt;.

both sides are lying through their teeth?
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you mean, like the US government?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2023/02/the-wests-belated-rediscovery-of-manoeuvre-warfare.html#comment-7737">Tom Kratman</a>.</p>
<p>both sides are lying through their teeth?<br />
.<br />
you mean, like the US government?</p>
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		By: Tom Kratman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Kratman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2023 01:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you haven&#039;t seen it, go to youtube and look for;
Straight Calls with Douglas Macgregor

Mind, I think Macgregor really doesn&#039;t understand the one thing he&#039;s, so to speak, tried to make his bones with; see: Breaking the Phalanx, which I consider to be organizational lunacy.  But he does understand operations and even strategy rather well.

Don&#039;t be turned off by the ridiculous anti-Russian titles; he&#039;s only doing that to fool the Youtube algorithms.  The meat of his talks is realistic, morally neutral, and decidedly anti-Ukie-bullshit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you haven&#8217;t seen it, go to youtube and look for;<br />
Straight Calls with Douglas Macgregor</p>
<p>Mind, I think Macgregor really doesn&#8217;t understand the one thing he&#8217;s, so to speak, tried to make his bones with; see: Breaking the Phalanx, which I consider to be organizational lunacy.  But he does understand operations and even strategy rather well.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be turned off by the ridiculous anti-Russian titles; he&#8217;s only doing that to fool the Youtube algorithms.  The meat of his talks is realistic, morally neutral, and decidedly anti-Ukie-bullshit.</p>
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		By: Tom Kratman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Kratman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2023 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Honest opinion; casualties are probably within 10% of each other.  There&#039;s not much, if any, difference in quality and the numbers, too, are fairly evenly drawn.  Essentially they have the same military culture and underlying civil culture.  Yes, the Russians have the burden of the offense yet, historically, this doesn&#039;t usually make all that much difference.  Why not?  Because offense and counterattack on the part of overall defenders tend to bleed - yes, that&#039;s exactly the word - into each other.  Big discrepancies in losses tend to be driven by big discrepancies in quality or sometimes odd circumstances.  Note, for example, the huge difference in German losses, vice Russian losses, in 1941, despite the Germans bearing the burden of the attack.  Note that by 1944, when the Russians had learned by harsh and hard experience, and they bore the overall burden of the attack, and German casualties had reduced German quality, were fairly even overall.  Even in 1941, a good deal of the disaster for the Russians was driven by them having moved their trains (term of art for logistical apparatus) forward before moving their line forward, probably in prep for an attack on Germany.

In any case, don&#039;t believe anyone&#039;s casualty figures; both sides are lying through their teeth.  Total KIA at this point?  Probably around 40k.  Each.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honest opinion; casualties are probably within 10% of each other.  There&#8217;s not much, if any, difference in quality and the numbers, too, are fairly evenly drawn.  Essentially they have the same military culture and underlying civil culture.  Yes, the Russians have the burden of the offense yet, historically, this doesn&#8217;t usually make all that much difference.  Why not?  Because offense and counterattack on the part of overall defenders tend to bleed &#8211; yes, that&#8217;s exactly the word &#8211; into each other.  Big discrepancies in losses tend to be driven by big discrepancies in quality or sometimes odd circumstances.  Note, for example, the huge difference in German losses, vice Russian losses, in 1941, despite the Germans bearing the burden of the attack.  Note that by 1944, when the Russians had learned by harsh and hard experience, and they bore the overall burden of the attack, and German casualties had reduced German quality, were fairly even overall.  Even in 1941, a good deal of the disaster for the Russians was driven by them having moved their trains (term of art for logistical apparatus) forward before moving their line forward, probably in prep for an attack on Germany.</p>
<p>In any case, don&#8217;t believe anyone&#8217;s casualty figures; both sides are lying through their teeth.  Total KIA at this point?  Probably around 40k.  Each.</p>
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		By: Didact		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Didact]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2023 17:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2023/02/the-wests-belated-rediscovery-of-manoeuvre-warfare.html#comment-7734&quot;&gt;Dark&lt;/a&gt;.

Sure. I will try to answer this in an upcoming podcast, along with some other reader and Telegram channel member questions.

For now, start with Stepan Bandera and the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists, do a search for the Volynia Massacre and the Babi Yar massacre, and that should be enough to get the ball rolling. There is also &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2022/03/bandera-ukraine-and-the-downside-of-nationalism.html&quot;&gt;a post on my site from just under a year ago&lt;/a&gt; which talks about the neo-Nazi legacy of Badnera.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2023/02/the-wests-belated-rediscovery-of-manoeuvre-warfare.html#comment-7734">Dark</a>.</p>
<p>Sure. I will try to answer this in an upcoming podcast, along with some other reader and Telegram channel member questions.</p>
<p>For now, start with Stepan Bandera and the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists, do a search for the Volynia Massacre and the Babi Yar massacre, and that should be enough to get the ball rolling. There is also <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2022/03/bandera-ukraine-and-the-downside-of-nationalism.html">a post on my site from just under a year ago</a> which talks about the neo-Nazi legacy of Badnera.</p>
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		By: Dark		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2023 16:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Go lookup the history of Ukrainian nationalism, and the abominable way in which the Ukrainians handled their own infrastructure and economic gifts left over from the USSR, and you will quickly realise that perhaps no country in history has ever squandered so much, so quickly, in the name of so little.&quot;

This is a topic of interest, can you give me a starter pack?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Go lookup the history of Ukrainian nationalism, and the abominable way in which the Ukrainians handled their own infrastructure and economic gifts left over from the USSR, and you will quickly realise that perhaps no country in history has ever squandered so much, so quickly, in the name of so little.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a topic of interest, can you give me a starter pack?</p>
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