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		By: Lucas A.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas A.]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this Didact. Just listened to latest podcast. I&#039;ve been reading some of the history of this region and learned there was even a Soviet-Polish War which involved Poland and West Ukraine vs. USSR and east Ukraine. https://infogalactic.com/info/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War
The Russophobia from Poles and Ukrainians makes sense but so doPutin&#039;s actions. It&#039;s a lot more complicated than what the &quot;presstitutes&quot; want us to believe. Pray for peace]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this Didact. Just listened to latest podcast. I&#8217;ve been reading some of the history of this region and learned there was even a Soviet-Polish War which involved Poland and West Ukraine vs. USSR and east Ukraine. <a href="https://infogalactic.com/info/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War" rel="nofollow ugc">https://infogalactic.com/info/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War</a><br />
The Russophobia from Poles and Ukrainians makes sense but so doPutin&#8217;s actions. It&#8217;s a lot more complicated than what the &#8220;presstitutes&#8221; want us to believe. Pray for peace</p>
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		By: Josh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2022 21:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2022/03/bandera-ukraine-and-the-downside-of-nationalism.html#comment-6966&quot;&gt;Josh&lt;/a&gt;.

And just to flesh out the Australian government approach it studiously avoids Russia per se and instead focusses on Putin as a thuggish brute. Probably to avoid raising tensions with the Russian community and avoid generating conflict between it and the Ukrainian community. This focus started in the aftermath of the MH17 downing and then Prime Minister, a former amateur boxer, boasting he would &#039;shirtfront&#039; Putin at an upcoming heads of govt response. All talk domestically but luckily no action at the event as he would have looked silly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2022/03/bandera-ukraine-and-the-downside-of-nationalism.html#comment-6966">Josh</a>.</p>
<p>And just to flesh out the Australian government approach it studiously avoids Russia per se and instead focusses on Putin as a thuggish brute. Probably to avoid raising tensions with the Russian community and avoid generating conflict between it and the Ukrainian community. This focus started in the aftermath of the MH17 downing and then Prime Minister, a former amateur boxer, boasting he would &#8216;shirtfront&#8217; Putin at an upcoming heads of govt response. All talk domestically but luckily no action at the event as he would have looked silly.</p>
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		By: Josh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2022/03/bandera-ukraine-and-the-downside-of-nationalism.html#comment-6963&quot;&gt;Didact&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you again. It is unbelievable that the neocons in Washington and their clients in Kiev are willing to see Ukraine trashed if it means bringing down Russia. Ziggy Brezinski was willing to see Afhanistan desttoyed if it mean hastening the demise of the USSR but to do it to your own geopolitical area is weird. Your article explains how this can be pursued. Also I read that Jews are now just 1% of the population in Ukraine so presumably the junta see no significant issue anyway. As to Blinken and Nuland yes it seems they have a grudge against Russia form their family origins and this is a massive conflict of interest with their positions. In other words they are using their public office to obtain private benefit at others&#039; expense, the very definition of corruption. And they urge other nations to join in against Russia without declaring their personal stake in the outcome. So for example Blinken visited Australia on 9th-10th of Feb to give the Australian government its orders, after which the Prime Minister, Defence Minister and Foreign Minister outdid each other in their anti-Russian rhetoric, as per Blinken&#039;s riding instructions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2022/03/bandera-ukraine-and-the-downside-of-nationalism.html#comment-6963">Didact</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you again. It is unbelievable that the neocons in Washington and their clients in Kiev are willing to see Ukraine trashed if it means bringing down Russia. Ziggy Brezinski was willing to see Afhanistan desttoyed if it mean hastening the demise of the USSR but to do it to your own geopolitical area is weird. Your article explains how this can be pursued. Also I read that Jews are now just 1% of the population in Ukraine so presumably the junta see no significant issue anyway. As to Blinken and Nuland yes it seems they have a grudge against Russia form their family origins and this is a massive conflict of interest with their positions. In other words they are using their public office to obtain private benefit at others&#8217; expense, the very definition of corruption. And they urge other nations to join in against Russia without declaring their personal stake in the outcome. So for example Blinken visited Australia on 9th-10th of Feb to give the Australian government its orders, after which the Prime Minister, Defence Minister and Foreign Minister outdid each other in their anti-Russian rhetoric, as per Blinken&#8217;s riding instructions.</p>
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		By: Didact		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Didact]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2022 14:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2022/03/bandera-ukraine-and-the-downside-of-nationalism.html#comment-6959&quot;&gt;Josh&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re welcome.

As for your core question, you raise an excellent point. I answered it like this in my Telegram channel:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href = &quot;https://williambowles.info/2022/03/08/israel-stunned-by-ukrainian-neo-nazis/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;In-depth article&lt;/a&gt; that will help explain the weirdness of Ukrainian neo-Nazi ideology, which will NOT make sense to people who assume that &quot;neo-Nazi = anti-Semite&quot;. In reality, anti-Semitism is only a small part of the modern neo-Nazi philosophy.

Key takeaways:
- The Ukrainian neo-Nazis are NOT some monolithic bloc of thugs and miscreants, Right Sector (Правый Сектор) has a very different set of aims an attitudes than Azov does, for instance;
- Stepan Bandera&#039;s original political philosophy said that Ukrainians were actually of Scandi or proto-Germanic origins, which is exactly contrary to that bit of Ukie propaganda that I linked to earlier;
- The uniting factor behind all of the fascist organisations in Ukraine is that they hate Russia and Russians, and to understand why, you have to look at what Ukraine endured under Soviet rule;
- The Western powers, to include many luminaries within the US and EU political establishments, have actively and openly supported the fascists in Ukraine with money and publicity;
- The liberal (((media))))))))) used to be horrified by this, but have conveniently memory-hold everything related to the subject of late;
- The very same Jew St. Ze of Kiev that the global community wants to give the Nobel Piss Prize, signed into law the first legal form of racial discrimination in Europe in 77 years, making ethnic Ukrainians a preferred group over Russians;
- St. Ze has also used the &quot;I&#039;m a Jew so I can&#039;t be a Nazi sympathiser&quot; dodge that confuses the hell out of everyone else, for quite some time now;
- The real history of Jews and Nazis is not NEARLY so clear-cut as we would like to believe;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The key here is that the standard equation of &quot;neo- Nazi = anti-Semite&quot; is flatly wrong. In fact, it is entirely possible for Jews to sympathise and work with fascists, because fascism in and of itself is not specifically anti-Jewish. Instead, fascism seeks to divide people along national and identitarian lines, with different factions united in their hatred for one particular oppressor. In this situation, the Russians take on that role, which is why Jews can quite happily work alongside rabidly anti-Semitic White trashionalists of the worst kind.

As I&#039;ve said before, if Ukrainians want to keep their country White, I have no strong objections to this. All other nations in the immediate vicinity act and think the same way - they want people most like them to stick together, and that is all to the good. But Ukrainian nationalists have an absolute hatred for Russians that is totally unjustified. The Russians of today, ARE NOT the Russians who did those horrible things to Ukraine in the 1920s and 1930s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2022/03/bandera-ukraine-and-the-downside-of-nationalism.html#comment-6959">Josh</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome.</p>
<p>As for your core question, you raise an excellent point. I answered it like this in my Telegram channel:</p>
<blockquote><p>
<a href = "https://williambowles.info/2022/03/08/israel-stunned-by-ukrainian-neo-nazis/" rel="nofollow ugc">In-depth article</a> that will help explain the weirdness of Ukrainian neo-Nazi ideology, which will NOT make sense to people who assume that &#8220;neo-Nazi = anti-Semite&#8221;. In reality, anti-Semitism is only a small part of the modern neo-Nazi philosophy.</p>
<p>Key takeaways:<br />
&#8211; The Ukrainian neo-Nazis are NOT some monolithic bloc of thugs and miscreants, Right Sector (Правый Сектор) has a very different set of aims an attitudes than Azov does, for instance;<br />
&#8211; Stepan Bandera&#8217;s original political philosophy said that Ukrainians were actually of Scandi or proto-Germanic origins, which is exactly contrary to that bit of Ukie propaganda that I linked to earlier;<br />
&#8211; The uniting factor behind all of the fascist organisations in Ukraine is that they hate Russia and Russians, and to understand why, you have to look at what Ukraine endured under Soviet rule;<br />
&#8211; The Western powers, to include many luminaries within the US and EU political establishments, have actively and openly supported the fascists in Ukraine with money and publicity;<br />
&#8211; The liberal (((media))))))))) used to be horrified by this, but have conveniently memory-hold everything related to the subject of late;<br />
&#8211; The very same Jew St. Ze of Kiev that the global community wants to give the Nobel Piss Prize, signed into law the first legal form of racial discrimination in Europe in 77 years, making ethnic Ukrainians a preferred group over Russians;<br />
&#8211; St. Ze has also used the &#8220;I&#8217;m a Jew so I can&#8217;t be a Nazi sympathiser&#8221; dodge that confuses the hell out of everyone else, for quite some time now;<br />
&#8211; The real history of Jews and Nazis is not NEARLY so clear-cut as we would like to believe;
</p></blockquote>
<p>The key here is that the standard equation of &#8220;neo- Nazi = anti-Semite&#8221; is flatly wrong. In fact, it is entirely possible for Jews to sympathise and work with fascists, because fascism in and of itself is not specifically anti-Jewish. Instead, fascism seeks to divide people along national and identitarian lines, with different factions united in their hatred for one particular oppressor. In this situation, the Russians take on that role, which is why Jews can quite happily work alongside rabidly anti-Semitic White trashionalists of the worst kind.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said before, if Ukrainians want to keep their country White, I have no strong objections to this. All other nations in the immediate vicinity act and think the same way &#8211; they want people most like them to stick together, and that is all to the good. But Ukrainian nationalists have an absolute hatred for Russians that is totally unjustified. The Russians of today, ARE NOT the Russians who did those horrible things to Ukraine in the 1920s and 1930s.</p>
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		By: Didact		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2022/03/bandera-ukraine-and-the-downside-of-nationalism.html#comment-6961&quot;&gt;McChuck&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s not a bad thing in and of itself. The Poles and Hungarians and Russians are quite happy to keep their countries majority White, as well, through fairly restrictive immigration policies and a very strong insistence on learning the language. (Which is HARD in all of those countries.)

However, the Ukies go way off the rails by arguing for the extirpation of anything that is not &quot;Ukrainian&quot;, in and of itself. The problem is that they can&#039;t define what &quot;Ukrainian&quot; is. Their country is a weird patchwork quilt. While their language is unique, their religion, traditions, and history all come from Greater Rus. And, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.rt.com/russia/552060-ukrainian-pure-blood-museum/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;contrary to what they would have you believe&lt;/a&gt;, their bloodlines are not purely Slavic, either.

The Ukrainians have systematically harassed and persecuted Russian-speakers, which make up 17% of their population and are very much like them in almost every other respect, and who by the way happen to live in the most important industrial sectors of the country. This is ethnic cleansing, pure and simple, by a majority tribe that hates the minority for no particularly good reason. The Ukies have literally committed genocide - or, in this case, probably more like fratricide - by killing more than 15,000 people in Donetsk and Lugansk.

It&#039;s not about keeping Ukraine White, which - if that&#039;s their stated policy - is up to them. It&#039;s about destroying a language that poses no threat to them, and about daemonising people who are just like them in every other respect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2022/03/bandera-ukraine-and-the-downside-of-nationalism.html#comment-6961">McChuck</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a bad thing in and of itself. The Poles and Hungarians and Russians are quite happy to keep their countries majority White, as well, through fairly restrictive immigration policies and a very strong insistence on learning the language. (Which is HARD in all of those countries.)</p>
<p>However, the Ukies go way off the rails by arguing for the extirpation of anything that is not &#8220;Ukrainian&#8221;, in and of itself. The problem is that they can&#8217;t define what &#8220;Ukrainian&#8221; is. Their country is a weird patchwork quilt. While their language is unique, their religion, traditions, and history all come from Greater Rus. And, <a href="https://www.rt.com/russia/552060-ukrainian-pure-blood-museum/" rel="nofollow ugc">contrary to what they would have you believe</a>, their bloodlines are not purely Slavic, either.</p>
<p>The Ukrainians have systematically harassed and persecuted Russian-speakers, which make up 17% of their population and are very much like them in almost every other respect, and who by the way happen to live in the most important industrial sectors of the country. This is ethnic cleansing, pure and simple, by a majority tribe that hates the minority for no particularly good reason. The Ukies have literally committed genocide &#8211; or, in this case, probably more like fratricide &#8211; by killing more than 15,000 people in Donetsk and Lugansk.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about keeping Ukraine White, which &#8211; if that&#8217;s their stated policy &#8211; is up to them. It&#8217;s about destroying a language that poses no threat to them, and about daemonising people who are just like them in every other respect.</p>
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		By: McChuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[McChuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2022 10:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why is a white Ukraine a bad thing?  Both Ukrainians and Russians (and Poles, and Hungarians...) are white.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is a white Ukraine a bad thing?  Both Ukrainians and Russians (and Poles, and Hungarians&#8230;) are white.</p>
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		By: Josh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ta for that info. What puzzles me from half a world away is the apparent alliance between the nazi element and the Jewish dominated junta e.g Blinken, Nuland, Zelensky and his patron Kolmoyski (do I have that right) all share Ukrainian Jewish ancestry. Is it that they all hate Russia so much that they have let bygones be bygones and make common cause against Russia on the principle that the enemy of my enemy is my friend?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ta for that info. What puzzles me from half a world away is the apparent alliance between the nazi element and the Jewish dominated junta e.g Blinken, Nuland, Zelensky and his patron Kolmoyski (do I have that right) all share Ukrainian Jewish ancestry. Is it that they all hate Russia so much that they have let bygones be bygones and make common cause against Russia on the principle that the enemy of my enemy is my friend?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Didact]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2022 20:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2022/03/bandera-ukraine-and-the-downside-of-nationalism.html#comment-6953&quot;&gt;Keruru&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly]]></description>
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<p>Exactly</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keruru]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Christian nationalism understands that the nation next door are our brothers in Christ. Even if they are French. It leads to Christendom, which is a good.

Pagan nationalism leads to hatred, destruction, and brutality. Always has, and always will]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian nationalism understands that the nation next door are our brothers in Christ. Even if they are French. It leads to Christendom, which is a good.</p>
<p>Pagan nationalism leads to hatred, destruction, and brutality. Always has, and always will</p>
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