OK, Gamma

You haven’t shown that he is wrong. I don’t know my ancestors, do you know them? Also, doesn’t Bill Gates have children? So he does have offspring as well as a lot of money.

Regarding this hierarchy stuff: “gamma” is what “nerd” was in the past. What matters in the end is God, Christ, and your soul. Divorce as well as fornication is sin and will be punished with eternal damnation if one does not repent. This is how Vox Day sees it as well, since he is a Christian.

One problem with all of this talk about marriage is that most content, even if written by high IQ bloggers like Vox Day, are targeted at normies. Which makes sense given the reality of the bell curve. Still, if you have an IQ of 150+, you will not want to spend the rest of your life with a wife that may at best have an IQ of 2.5+ sigma, if at all, no matter how “attractive” she is.

I reject this hierarchy talk, since it’s of no interest to me. With an IQ that 3.5+ sigma, one simply has more abstract thought going on in one’s head; abstract thinking is often more interesting than people are, it’s like one’s second nature.

To quote Nils M. Holm from his book “Bridging the Gap”:
“Having a job that pays the bills helps to find your way in this world, and having a jobs that allows for some extras, like a new car, vacations in foreign countries, or maybe an own appartment, is seen as the ultimate goal by many. However, this can be a stale experience when you are always on your own. You may find a partner, but never feel any connection to them, because they do not share your interests, your values, your empathy, your sensitivity, etc. Many relationships of high-IQ people are uneasy compromises at best. The alienation they first felt at home and then at school and in later life extends also to their closest connections.”

http://t3x.org/files/gap.pdf

To end with a great quote by Catholic reactionary Gómez Dávila:

Believe in God, trust in Christ, look with suspicion.

Observing life is too interesting to waste time living it.

Depopulate and reforest—first civilizing rule.

The problem is not sexual repression, nor sexual liberation, but sex.

No beneficiary of slaves is supporter of birth control.

Modern society is abolishing prostitution through promiscuity.

The believer is superior to the nonbeliever because unbelief is a solution whereas faith is a problem.

Eugenics appals those who fear its judgment.

The correct use of freedom can consist in embracing a destiny, but my freedom consists in being able to refuse to do that.
The right to fail is an important right of man.

We live because we do not view ourselves with the same eyes with which everybody else views us.

Gamma alert.

I would never have chosen this crappy life had I been asked. “Of a chipmunk”: you cannot improve your height, your IQ, your face, get rid of a hunched back or mental illness, idiot. And even if I could, I simply would never even want to exist in the first place.

How hard is this to understand? I don’t like existence, it is dumber than tic-tac-toe, it is a “game” red in tooth and claw, our origin basically the same as that of the beasts.

Salomon paid for his horrible deeds, God killed this fucker. He lamented it all, seeing how stupid life is in Ecclesiastes.

You are the idiots. You guys don’t even have eugenics implemented! It also does not matter how much you go to the gym, since it can’t save your face or short wiener or whatever horrid genetics were forced down on you (all three in my case).

As I wrote: all I want is that God allows me to kill myself and sends a dosage of barbiturates from heaven so that I can end this nonsense I never asked for in the first place.

Apparently, genetic dung has children, otherwise I would not be here. As Andy Nowicki writes in “Confessions of a Would-Be Wanker”, sex is dirty, sex is degradation. This is why priests, monks and nuns are supposed to live celibate lives: it would sully them. In “Considering Suicide”, Nowicki rightly wrote that our sexual origins are a “slap in the face”, that should at least “give us pause”. Exactly, but both men and women are idiots — MPAI — and therefore what do I expect? Man is too dumb and horny to actually THINK.

If I weren’t a Christian, I’d kill myself in a heartbeat.

Observation: A problem with the SSH is not that “it” doesn’t exist, but that there are more than one of them, place, time, and culture depending.

Yep. I can only agree with that.

Another problem with it, as a theory, is that it discounts the effect of smell, particular as regards the little DNA analyzer women seem to have tucked in behind their pituitaries.

Also a fair point. you’ve mentioned this before and I think you are correct. Women do seem to be able to sniff out weakness, quite literally.

Observation: A problem with the SSH is not that “it” doesn’t exist, but that there are more than one of them, place, time, and culture depending. The SSH for the US, today, is different from the SSH of the US, in the 60s and 70s, is different from the SSH in the US, in the 60s and 70s, on an Ivy League college campus, is different from Southern Asia, is different from Eastern Asia…

This is especially noticeable in Latin America, where blue (or green) eyes and white skin is just the_thing, and a largish nose is not to be underestimated.

Another problem with it, as a theory, is that it discounts the effect of smell, particular as regards the little DNA analyzer women seem to have tucked in behind their pituitaries.

I addressed your arguments succinctly and clearly. You responded with a massive wall of text and are clearly projecting. You have failed to address my responses to you and have repeatedly dodged straightforward rebuttals of your basic positions. You have directly violated Rule 2 of the Laws of the Domain, repeatedly. Enough is enough. You are hereby banned.

You are merely repeating yourself without specifically addressing my arguments. Using your own logic, your behavior is the mark of a gamma.

“1) The SSH is a subjective construct masquerading as an objective heuristic”

Indeed. It is relatively easy to label someone’s position they personally find fault in or a person’s outward behavior or mental make-up they individually oppose as being “gamma”. Different peer groups can observe the same behavior and draw varying conclusions baed upon their own values and experiences. Remember, as indicated earlier, woman are good judges in “gammatude”, and when provided your responses thus far, they made specific reference to your traits as reflective of this realm. Now, certainly you will challenge their conclusion, and your relatives/friends would assuredly make claims to the contrary, In this regard, you/they would be proving my point—conduct and attitude predicated on the SSH is ultimately subjective.

As further clarification…

Source: sigmamaleforum.com

“As I write this in 2021, interest and content about Sigma Males has exploded. There is now a tsunami of misinformation and nonsense written about Sigma Males, and a suspiciously high number of men who declare themselves Sigma, most notably on Youtube comments sections. Remember the 2 most important criteria : being extraordinarily attractive to women – higher than the top 1% – and outside of the hierarchy. If you can approach and attract the TOP QUALITY – i.e. 7-10 range regularly – not an internet 7 – 10, but an ACTUAL 7 – 10 and you are location independent – then you may well be a Sigma Male. But, simply being introverted, smart and declaring yourself a Sigma does not make you a Sigma Male.”

“2) Christians have accepted the SSH as a substitute for the Biblical definition of manhood;”


You mean some Christian men have wrongly incorporated the SSH into the Biblical framework. Consider how Matthew 18 stresses the importance of humility and self-sacrifice as the high virtues within a community, NOT a limiting system that ranks men based on their social position with other males and their ability to attract women.

“The SSH has nothing to say about whether a man is morally upright or not…For some reason you insist on substituting vanity and muscularity for actual Alpha, Bravo, Delta, and Gamma traits, which are broader than these points”.

I never made these arguments, nor disputed them. Repeatedly making strawmen are the mark of a gamma, as Vox Day has repeatedly inferred on his fine blog.

“Furthermore, you imply that men judge other men’s status within the SSH based on outward physical attributes.”

Absolutely. Refer to Hypergamouse, which is an over exaggeration of the physical and mental characteristics of each category.

“3) God does not judge men based on hierarchies”

God does not judge men based on the SSH. Rather, In Corinthians 11:3, Paul lays out this principle of God’s hierarchical relationships in a much broader context: “I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.” God works through a chain of command even within Himself in order to accomplish His plan and program in history.

Again, would God truly judge in this exact manner by calling Christian men betas, gammas, and situational alphas? If you believe the argument can be made, cite the relevant Bible passages and offer the requisite context.

You have no argument. You essentially posited that:
1) The SSH is a subjective construct masquerading as an objective heuristic;
2) Christians have accepted the SSH as a substitute for the Biblical definition of manhood;
3) God does not judge men based on hierarchies;

All three positions are false.

The SSH is fractal. It works on multiple levels and is observably true.

The SSH does not contradict Biblical Truth. The SSH has nothing to say about whether a man is morally upright or not. There are moral Alphas and highly immoral ones, just as there are highly moral and immoral Gammas and Deltas and so on. The SSH is merely one truth that points to the larger Truth.

Furthermore, you imply that men judge other men’s status within the SSH based on outward physical attributes. This is, again, observably untrue. For some reason you insist on substituting vanity and muscularity for actual Alpha, Bravo, Delta, and Gamma traits, which are broader than these points.

And God absolutely judges based on hierarchies. That is made clear in multiple passages in the New Testament, e.g. Matthew 18. Those hierarchies simply are very different from what secular men consider to be important.

Your “arguments”, such as they are, therefore are based on poor logic and even weaker assumptions. And the only one using straw-man arguments here, is you.

I offered a cogent argument, not a “gamma wall of text”. Now, if we do employ the SSH, it is patently obvious based on your own response that you are assuming a lecturing pose and are attempt to disqualify, disqualify, disqualify the other party in lieu of demonstrating the errors of their position.

As it was indicated before, women are very good judges of “gammatude”. So when I showed this exchange to several women I know, they were universally repulsed by your defensiveness and strawmen. True, some of these ladies were other than familiar with the gamma label or the SSH in general, but when I explained it, their initial take was confirmed.

Food for thought…