That quote from Richard Grenier was from a time when this was normal. Remember that Ukrainians and Russians were practicing cannibalism at the same time.

Not a very good analogy. The Ukrainians were eating their own children and dead because of the Голодомор, the Great Hunger – a purely man-made famine that Stalin’s policies created and which he was quite content to allow, because it was cheaper to starve people to death than shoot them. I think you will be hard-pressed to argue that Ukrainians would easily or quickly go back to eating humans under modern circumstances. Life in Ukraine is not easy, but it’s not THAT hard either.

By contrast, the phenomenon of high-caste Hindus taking dumps wherever they felt like it was ingrained in their culture over 1,500 years of ossification of the caste system. As I’ve said before, the caste system basically says that if you were born a Dalit, then you must have done something awful in your prior life to deserve your current fate – which means you deserve to clean up other people’s shit and a Brahmin has every right to shit on your doorstep. That is a very fatalistic and depressing attitude to life and it persists in the Hindu mind to this very day.

The highly educated Indians in the tech industry are of course three generations removed from that, and their relatives in India also don’t consider shitting on the streets.

Well… yes and no. While high-caste educated types don’t crap in the streets anymore, you might be amazed to see how quickly even educated Indians devolve back to the traditional ways of their home countries. Take the simple act of queuing. Most 1st-Gen Indians figure out pretty quickly how civilised queuing works in Western countries. Their 2nd-Gen and 3rd-Gen descendants absorb it through osmosis. But, put them back in conditions similar to what exists in India, and they revert to type with incredible speed – just go to any Indian Consulate or Embassy anywhere in the world and you’ll see this in action.

Ultimately, the assimilation of the foreign-born generation matters little; it is the assimilation of 2nd gen and later immigrants that matters. Regarding Indians, I think there is insufficient data on that at the moment.

The data that we do have at present indicate that it takes a minimum of 5 generations to acculturate and assimilate even genetically and culturally similar Westerners into other Western nations. The higher the degree of cultural, historical, linguistic, and racial similarity, the easier and faster this process becomes. For instance, Poland integrated roughly 2 million Ukrainian refugees into their labour force with relative ease – because Ukrainians are hard workers whose language and history makes them very similar to the Poles.

But Indians are radically different from White Christian Westerners. Given this, a minimum of 7 generations is the likely norm.

How much is the modern day problems of immigration into the west is cause by technology and not just the change in western minds or western people?

It’s an excellent point. The world’s borders have certainly become far more porous thanks to modern technology. Mass migration has become a much more rapid phenomenon as a result. Journeys that would have taken months or years in the past can now happen in days.

But technology is nothing more than a tool. The same technologies that allow for rapid movements of peoples, and which permit countries to allow huge numbers of travellers into their borders – whether the natives want them or not – can very easily be turned on those same immigrants. It all comes down to how people and governments use those technologies.

Consider the Chinese. They have put into place an incredibly sophisticated set of technologies that allow them to track virtually every single person within their borders, or at least within the urban population centres, with very high degrees of accuracy. They have facial recognition technology deployed on the city streets and an incredibly scary social credit system that forces “good” behaviour simply so that people can exist according to the whims of the State.

The Chinese therefore have EVERY tool that they need to keep complete tabs on any foreigner who enters the Middle Kingdom. And they absolutely use it to harass those same foreigners. If you watch videos by Winston from serpentza or Matthew Tye from laowhy86 on YouTube, you’ll find them telling stories about how they were harassed repeatedly by Chinese local and state authorities.

But they got many of those tools and technologies straight from the West. They didn’t invent them – they took what already existed and improved upon it for their own purposes.

Technology means nothing without the will to use it for specific purposes. The Swedes and the Brits and the Aussies and everyone else in the West could expel every last foreigner in their borders tomorrow if they wanted to put their tech to the right uses. They lack the national will to do so.

So while I see what you’re saying and I agree with it – technology has certainly made mass migrations easier – I also think that technology can easily be used to make it far more difficult. It’s just that Westerners lack the balls and the spine to do it.

How much is the modern day problems of immigration into the west is cause by technology and not just the change in western minds or western people?

I mean for example the likely hood of a Somalian moving to Sweden to live before the 1950s would be so unlikely as to be impossible. Also add the modern day medicine, food delivery, transport, internet, phones and central heating (or air-cons if you are in Australia ) makes living easier for people to live anywhere. Let alone the wealth created by technology allowing for things like social services.

I think countries like England and Sweden their population has not yet develop the same type of resistances to outsiders or at least to the same degree as say India, China or the Middle east have. This is in part because they never needed to. It is not to say they don’t have any and that there is not suppression of it.

For example who would and in some case could (vitamin D issues and cold winters) before modern technology would want to live in Sweden other than Swedes? Same could be said of Australia in the reserve (Heat, Sun cancer, lack of water, dangerous animals and etc).

I will add a counter point to what I have asked that the populations in the west have been brown beaten by Media, education, politicians and more importantly laws to accept the lies (or just go along to get along) of Multi-culturalism.

The highly educated Indians in the tech industry are of course three generations removed from that, and their relatives in India also don’t consider shitting on the streets. At least I hope not. Otherwise, this proclivity can be attributed to you too if you are trapped in India long enough and devolve.

Separately, I am not sure if the Hindu worldview still applies to 2nd gen and later Indians in the West. Someone like Priti Patel, born in the UK, married to a white guy, and probably two generations removed to India, is probably well assimilated into Britain. Ultimately, the assimilation of the foreign-born generation matters little; it is the assimilation of 2nd gen and later immigrants that matters. Regarding Indians, I think there is insufficient data on that at the moment.

Anyway, just thought I’d introduce some facts and objectivity into the discussion.

I know you’re not referring directly to me, since I addressed these points in both spoken and written word above. But yes, you’re right. The notion that India is the worst country in the world for women is laughably stupid. Sudan, Sub-Saharan Africa, and probably Afghanistan and Pakistan are definitely much worse. Rape is above all a tool of control and subjugation. It is an exercise in raw, naked force. That is why it tends to be heavily used in war zones.

I meant that high-income, high-educated Indians in the US, including 2nd gen ones. I am talking about people with VP or higher positions at tech companies.

They obviously aren’t about to shit in the streets, since even their relatives in India are in an economic tier that does not do that.

That’s the funny thing – the Richard Grenier article points out that, about 80 years back, highly educated and literate and (relatively) wealthy Indians were in fact crapping wherever they felt like.

Obviously that’s not the case today. Thank God for that. But the veneer of civilisation is shockingly thin and wears out really fast when its supporting institutions are knocked out.

I’m not saying this will start immediately. But as the West degrades and declines, look to see a significant rise in anti-civilisational behaviour and modes of thought.

Just ask Veritas up there. He and I have spoken over the phone a number of times about how South Africa reverted back to barbarism after the horrible system of Apartheid ended. The same was true of Rhodesia, which didn’t have forced segregation and where Whites ruled with a much lighter hand.

Separately, contemporary, feral white feminists do in fact shit everywhere except a toilet, and congratulate themselves about this

I’m not surprised. Feminists are openly and avowedly anti-civilisational.

Westerners are really going to miss indoor plumbing over the next couple of generations…

I meant that high-income, high-educated Indians in the US, including 2nd gen ones. I am talking about people with VP or higher positions at tech companies.

They obviously aren’t about to shit in the streets, since even their relatives in India are in an economic tier that does not do that.

Remember that an educated Indian in the West is a tier you belong to as well. So you better hope that their connection to civilization is robust enough.

Separately, contemporary, feral white feminists do in fact shit everywhere except a toilet, and congratulate themselves about this. The great but vanished blogger PM/AFT wrote about this :

https://web.archive.org/web/20160103190225/http://www.antifeministtech.info/filthy-feral-women-who-cant-handle-modern-civilization/

Anyway, just thought I’d introduce some facts and objectivity into the discussion.