In this latest edition of the Domain Query series, I answer an interesting set of points posed by reader Johnny in a comment on an unrelated post:
Didact,
While I have come to conclude that Indian immigration to the US is a net negative (I used to think all skilled immigration that earns above the national average income is a plus as long as they aren’t Muslim terrorists), a lot of White Trashionalists have gone further.
The above article is pretty extreme, and goes too far. The author hates even ‘right wing’ Indians like Priti Patel and Nikki Haley, due to their support of Israel (as if almost 100% of white politicians don’t do the same). The author also conflates a lot of other things falsely, by saying that since India is the ‘rape capital of the world’, Indian immigration means tons of rapes in the US.
Muslim Pakistanis in Rotherham are one thing, but I don’t know of a single non-Muslim Indian in the West raping a woman here (and I doubt Indian men are strong enough to overpower a non-Indian woman in the first place). He also thinks that even elite tech Indians are 3 days away from shitting on the streets.
That, of course, goes too far. But I wanted your opinion on the article and comments for an accurate assessment of what is and is not valid. I believe that you are probably the most fairminded person on such topics.
White Trashionalists are the dregs of the white population for sure. No wonder the ‘community’ is 100% male and has a lot of gay men.
So I had a go at answering these points, at some length. There are three major issues to hit:
- Whether Priti Patel is a pleasant person to work for – my guess is, probably not, but I don’t have any direct evidence and I think that Mr. Langdon probably goes way too far in his screed;
- Whether the Israel Lobby has too much influence and power in Britain – in my view, they do, and that’s not a good thing, and Jews in Europe and the UK need to understand that they are wearing out their welcome very quickly, and they should apply their considerable energies and skills in making the great country of Israel even greater;
- Whether Indian immigration to the First World is a good thing – as far as I’m concerned, the answer is an unequivocal NO, but I provide more context and in a rather different tone from Mr. Langdon;
Here’s the podcast:
(Somewhat to my annoyance, the latest WordPress upgrade to 5.6 has borked the old embedding process for PodBean podcasts. Mind you, the old process wasn’t exactly brilliant, but the new process isn’t any better – or worse. It’s just different, therefore annoying. Hopefully WordPress implements a wrapper block for PodBean URLs eventually.)
Here are some other resources to read and consider on these three points:
I referenced an article about a civil servant who left the Home Office under a cloud due to his repeated rows with the Home Secretary, Ms Patel. He’s not the only one, as it turns out, and Ms Patel’s behaviour is cited as the reason why there is significant turnover at the top of the Home Office. Given the kinds of Swamp Creatures who inhabit those posts, that is not a Bad Thing at all in my view.
I talked at some length about Boris Berezovskiy, the Russian Jewish oligarch who basically said that every Jew’s first allegiance is to Israel. Here’s a long article about how one Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin – or, as we call him, the Neo-Tsar – rose to power, in which that specific point is raised repeatedly.
Mr. Langdon’s article references an article from The Guardian that says that rape is a runaway problem in India and it is the world’s most dangerous country for women. That is BALDERDASH. Here’s an article from a couple of years ago that puts India in its proper context. India is definitely not a good place for women, but it’s FAR from the worst.
Finally, with respect to the point that Johnny makes above about the implication that even India’s tech elites are just a few steps away from defecating in the streets… that actually isn’t so far-fetched. For reference, check out this lengthy article from Richard Grenier called “The Gandhi that Nobody Knows” – here is the money quote:
When Gandhi attended his first Indian National Congress he was most distressed at seeing the Hindus—not laborers but high-caste Hindus, civic leaders—defecating all over the place, as if to pay attention to where the feces fell was somehow unclean. (For, as V.S. Naipaul puts it, in a twisted Hindu way it is unclean to clean. It is unclean even to notice. “It was the business of the sweepers to remove excrement, and until the sweepers came, people were content to live in the midst of their own excrement.”)
Draw your own conclusions from that, really.
In summary, Mr. Langdon’s article does go too far in several areas. But SOME of what he says is indeed valid.
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Theres no way India is a rape capital, the very idea is absurd. Unless they’ve lowered the bar to include street harassment from paan chewing, coconut oiled sweating gentlemen. No sir.
South Africa on the other hand, most definitely IS one of the rape capitals. Like real rape, not the “I felt raped” kind of rape. I bring up S.A because they have the largest population of Indians anywhere else in the world outside of India. Yet they account for the lowest number of crimes among S.A’s racial demographic. Mostly limited to white collar offences.
Anyway, just thought I’d introduce some facts and objectivity into the discussion.
I know you’re not referring directly to me, since I addressed these points in both spoken and written word above. But yes, you’re right. The notion that India is the worst country in the world for women is laughably stupid. Sudan, Sub-Saharan Africa, and probably Afghanistan and Pakistan are definitely much worse. Rape is above all a tool of control and subjugation. It is an exercise in raw, naked force. That is why it tends to be heavily used in war zones.
that actually isn’t so far-fetched.
I meant that high-income, high-educated Indians in the US, including 2nd gen ones. I am talking about people with VP or higher positions at tech companies.
They obviously aren’t about to shit in the streets, since even their relatives in India are in an economic tier that does not do that.
Remember that an educated Indian in the West is a tier you belong to as well. So you better hope that their connection to civilization is robust enough.
Separately, contemporary, feral white feminists do in fact shit everywhere except a toilet, and congratulate themselves about this. The great but vanished blogger PM/AFT wrote about this :
https://web.archive.org/web/20160103190225/http://www.antifeministtech.info/filthy-feral-women-who-cant-handle-modern-civilization/
That’s the funny thing – the Richard Grenier article points out that, about 80 years back, highly educated and literate and (relatively) wealthy Indians were in fact crapping wherever they felt like.
Obviously that’s not the case today. Thank God for that. But the veneer of civilisation is shockingly thin and wears out really fast when its supporting institutions are knocked out.
I’m not saying this will start immediately. But as the West degrades and declines, look to see a significant rise in anti-civilisational behaviour and modes of thought.
Just ask Veritas up there. He and I have spoken over the phone a number of times about how South Africa reverted back to barbarism after the horrible system of Apartheid ended. The same was true of Rhodesia, which didn’t have forced segregation and where Whites ruled with a much lighter hand.
I’m not surprised. Feminists are openly and avowedly anti-civilisational.
Westerners are really going to miss indoor plumbing over the next couple of generations…
That quote from Richard Grenier was from a time when this was normal. Remember that Ukrainians and Russians were practicing cannibalism at the same time.
The highly educated Indians in the tech industry are of course three generations removed from that, and their relatives in India also don’t consider shitting on the streets. At least I hope not. Otherwise, this proclivity can be attributed to you too if you are trapped in India long enough and devolve.
Separately, I am not sure if the Hindu worldview still applies to 2nd gen and later Indians in the West. Someone like Priti Patel, born in the UK, married to a white guy, and probably two generations removed to India, is probably well assimilated into Britain. Ultimately, the assimilation of the foreign-born generation matters little; it is the assimilation of 2nd gen and later immigrants that matters. Regarding Indians, I think there is insufficient data on that at the moment.
Not a very good analogy. The Ukrainians were eating their own children and dead because of the Голодомор, the Great Hunger – a purely man-made famine that Stalin’s policies created and which he was quite content to allow, because it was cheaper to starve people to death than shoot them. I think you will be hard-pressed to argue that Ukrainians would easily or quickly go back to eating humans under modern circumstances. Life in Ukraine is not easy, but it’s not THAT hard either.
By contrast, the phenomenon of high-caste Hindus taking dumps wherever they felt like it was ingrained in their culture over 1,500 years of ossification of the caste system. As I’ve said before, the caste system basically says that if you were born a Dalit, then you must have done something awful in your prior life to deserve your current fate – which means you deserve to clean up other people’s shit and a Brahmin has every right to shit on your doorstep. That is a very fatalistic and depressing attitude to life and it persists in the Hindu mind to this very day.
Well… yes and no. While high-caste educated types don’t crap in the streets anymore, you might be amazed to see how quickly even educated Indians devolve back to the traditional ways of their home countries. Take the simple act of queuing. Most 1st-Gen Indians figure out pretty quickly how civilised queuing works in Western countries. Their 2nd-Gen and 3rd-Gen descendants absorb it through osmosis. But, put them back in conditions similar to what exists in India, and they revert to type with incredible speed – just go to any Indian Consulate or Embassy anywhere in the world and you’ll see this in action.
The data that we do have at present indicate that it takes a minimum of 5 generations to acculturate and assimilate even genetically and culturally similar Westerners into other Western nations. The higher the degree of cultural, historical, linguistic, and racial similarity, the easier and faster this process becomes. For instance, Poland integrated roughly 2 million Ukrainian refugees into their labour force with relative ease – because Ukrainians are hard workers whose language and history makes them very similar to the Poles.
But Indians are radically different from White Christian Westerners. Given this, a minimum of 7 generations is the likely norm.
Hey Didactic,
How much is the modern day problems of immigration into the west is cause by technology and not just the change in western minds or western people?
I mean for example the likely hood of a Somalian moving to Sweden to live before the 1950s would be so unlikely as to be impossible. Also add the modern day medicine, food delivery, transport, internet, phones and central heating (or air-cons if you are in Australia ) makes living easier for people to live anywhere. Let alone the wealth created by technology allowing for things like social services.
I think countries like England and Sweden their population has not yet develop the same type of resistances to outsiders or at least to the same degree as say India, China or the Middle east have. This is in part because they never needed to. It is not to say they don’t have any and that there is not suppression of it.
For example who would and in some case could (vitamin D issues and cold winters) before modern technology would want to live in Sweden other than Swedes? Same could be said of Australia in the reserve (Heat, Sun cancer, lack of water, dangerous animals and etc).
I will add a counter point to what I have asked that the populations in the west have been brown beaten by Media, education, politicians and more importantly laws to accept the lies (or just go along to get along) of Multi-culturalism.
It’s an excellent point. The world’s borders have certainly become far more porous thanks to modern technology. Mass migration has become a much more rapid phenomenon as a result. Journeys that would have taken months or years in the past can now happen in days.
But technology is nothing more than a tool. The same technologies that allow for rapid movements of peoples, and which permit countries to allow huge numbers of travellers into their borders – whether the natives want them or not – can very easily be turned on those same immigrants. It all comes down to how people and governments use those technologies.
Consider the Chinese. They have put into place an incredibly sophisticated set of technologies that allow them to track virtually every single person within their borders, or at least within the urban population centres, with very high degrees of accuracy. They have facial recognition technology deployed on the city streets and an incredibly scary social credit system that forces “good” behaviour simply so that people can exist according to the whims of the State.
The Chinese therefore have EVERY tool that they need to keep complete tabs on any foreigner who enters the Middle Kingdom. And they absolutely use it to harass those same foreigners. If you watch videos by Winston from serpentza or Matthew Tye from laowhy86 on YouTube, you’ll find them telling stories about how they were harassed repeatedly by Chinese local and state authorities.
But they got many of those tools and technologies straight from the West. They didn’t invent them – they took what already existed and improved upon it for their own purposes.
Technology means nothing without the will to use it for specific purposes. The Swedes and the Brits and the Aussies and everyone else in the West could expel every last foreigner in their borders tomorrow if they wanted to put their tech to the right uses. They lack the national will to do so.
So while I see what you’re saying and I agree with it – technology has certainly made mass migrations easier – I also think that technology can easily be used to make it far more difficult. It’s just that Westerners lack the balls and the spine to do it.