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		By: Didact		</title>
		<link>https://didacticmind.com/2020/02/the-turducken-plane.html#comment-852</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Didact]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2020/02/the-turducken-plane.html#comment-851&quot;&gt;Jonathan H&lt;/a&gt;.

Quite. The real mission of the Joint Strike Flying Piano is to spend money and act as a giant jobs program, not to build a functional weapons system.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2020/02/the-turducken-plane.html#comment-851">Jonathan H</a>.</p>
<p>Quite. The real mission of the Joint Strike Flying Piano is to spend money and act as a giant jobs program, not to build a functional weapons system.</p>
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		By: Jonathan H		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, if you consider the REAL mission of the aircraft they succeeded - the reason the aircraft won&#039;t be cancelled is that it has at least one supplier in every one of the 435 House districts. The REAL mission of the aircraft is employment and political position, not combat!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, if you consider the REAL mission of the aircraft they succeeded &#8211; the reason the aircraft won&#39;t be cancelled is that it has at least one supplier in every one of the 435 House districts. The REAL mission of the aircraft is employment and political position, not combat!</p>
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		By: Didact		</title>
		<link>https://didacticmind.com/2020/02/the-turducken-plane.html#comment-850</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Feb 2020 09:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2020/02/the-turducken-plane.html#comment-849&quot;&gt;Post Alley Crackpot&lt;/a&gt;.

You, sir, win teh internetz yet again. A Turduckencopter is pure GENIUS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2020/02/the-turducken-plane.html#comment-849">Post Alley Crackpot</a>.</p>
<p>You, sir, win teh internetz yet again. A Turduckencopter is pure GENIUS.</p>
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		By: Post Alley Crackpot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Feb 2020 07:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Needs flaperons in a helicopter main rotor-like formation to improve its VSTOL capabilities.

Then the US military can be even happier that they will have the first the cross-forces Turduckencopter!

:-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Needs flaperons in a helicopter main rotor-like formation to improve its VSTOL capabilities.</p>
<p>Then the US military can be even happier that they will have the first the cross-forces Turduckencopter!</p>
<p>🙂</p>
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		By: Didact		</title>
		<link>https://didacticmind.com/2020/02/the-turducken-plane.html#comment-848</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2020/02/the-turducken-plane.html#comment-845&quot;&gt;JohnC911&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah that was pretty cool, no question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2020/02/the-turducken-plane.html#comment-845">JohnC911</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah that was pretty cool, no question.</p>
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		By: Didact		</title>
		<link>https://didacticmind.com/2020/02/the-turducken-plane.html#comment-847</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2020 02:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2020/02/the-turducken-plane.html#comment-841&quot;&gt;furor kek tonicus ( yo, LeBron.  you&#039;re worth 500 mill, move to Africa and you could be a kangz )&lt;/a&gt;.

and if we lose a single one of these F-35s, for ANY reason, there will never be any possibility of the aircraft having a positive ROI versus the sheepherders and goat fvckers that it&#039;s likely to be matched against.

Yep. The US military has painted itself into a real corner. Its dependence on high-tech whiz-bang expensive solutions to everything makes it very, very effective in battle where information asymmetry is key to victory - but totally useless in the kinds of brutal drawn-out slug-fights that future wars against non-state actors will turn out to be.

The loss of a single high-tech toy, like a Joint Strike Flying Piano, a B-2 bomber, or a supercarrier, will be a huge blow to the US military&#039;s prestige and power. But these toys WILL be beaten out by cheap and simple weapons, tactics, and ideas used by technologically backward by tactically savvy opponents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2020/02/the-turducken-plane.html#comment-841">furor kek tonicus ( yo, LeBron.  you&#039;re worth 500 mill, move to Africa and you could be a kangz )</a>.</p>
<p>and if we lose a single one of these F-35s, for ANY reason, there will never be any possibility of the aircraft having a positive ROI versus the sheepherders and goat fvckers that it&#39;s likely to be matched against.</p>
<p>Yep. The US military has painted itself into a real corner. Its dependence on high-tech whiz-bang expensive solutions to everything makes it very, very effective in battle where information asymmetry is key to victory &#8211; but totally useless in the kinds of brutal drawn-out slug-fights that future wars against non-state actors will turn out to be.</p>
<p>The loss of a single high-tech toy, like a Joint Strike Flying Piano, a B-2 bomber, or a supercarrier, will be a huge blow to the US military&#39;s prestige and power. But these toys WILL be beaten out by cheap and simple weapons, tactics, and ideas used by technologically backward by tactically savvy opponents.</p>
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		By: Didact		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2020 02:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A Canadian dropped by to leave an anonymous comment that is too good not to use. I&#039;ll repost it here after deleting the original, but seriously, dude, NO ANONYMOUS COMMENTS!!! Says so in at least three different places here.

I&#039;m sure U.S. pilots will love going into hostile airspace in a plane that cannot dogfight, only carries two missiles, has flawed software (&#034;here&#039;s today&#039;s software update Lt.&#034;) and has one engine.
Canuck here. One of the reasons our air force took the F-18 over the F-16 was two engines/better range/payload. When flying over vast wilderness, that second engine comes in handy.

Canada is still dragging its heels on replacing the F-18s. It doesn&#039;t want to buy the turduckens but its only other options are the Super Hornet and the Swedish fighter.
I imagine we will end up with F35s as a sop to Trump and because we&#039;re fucking Canada.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Canadian dropped by to leave an anonymous comment that is too good not to use. I&#39;ll repost it here after deleting the original, but seriously, dude, NO ANONYMOUS COMMENTS!!! Says so in at least three different places here.</p>
<p>I&#39;m sure U.S. pilots will love going into hostile airspace in a plane that cannot dogfight, only carries two missiles, has flawed software (&quot;here&#39;s today&#39;s software update Lt.&quot;) and has one engine.<br />
Canuck here. One of the reasons our air force took the F-18 over the F-16 was two engines/better range/payload. When flying over vast wilderness, that second engine comes in handy.</p>
<p>Canada is still dragging its heels on replacing the F-18s. It doesn&#39;t want to buy the turduckens but its only other options are the Super Hornet and the Swedish fighter.<br />
I imagine we will end up with F35s as a sop to Trump and because we&#39;re fucking Canada.</p>
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		By: JohnC911		</title>
		<link>https://didacticmind.com/2020/02/the-turducken-plane.html#comment-845</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2020 22:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Vox day mention your article. Cool

 voxday.blogspot.com/2020/02/hey-at-least-it-flies.html ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vox day mention your article. Cool</p>
<p> voxday.blogspot.com/2020/02/hey-at-least-it-flies.html </p>
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		By: furor kek tonicus ( yo, LeBron. you&#039;re worth 500 mill, move to Africa and you could be a kangz )		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2020 21:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2020/02/the-turducken-plane.html#comment-841&quot;&gt;furor kek tonicus ( yo, LeBron.  you&#039;re worth 500 mill, move to Africa and you could be a kangz )&lt;/a&gt;.

well then, let me add a critique to your list:

&#034;multiple jet engines&#034; are ( or at least should be ) a requirement for close air support.

the most dangerous part of any airplane flight envelope is slow speed + low altitude operation ... the very definition of CAS.

jets don&#039;t tend to have a very good glide ratio in the first place, and the F-35 looks like the glide ratio is going to be miserable with those stubby wings.

what happens if a following plane in the flight ingests a cloud of dust or debris from the flight leader?

what happens if the engine ingests a bird?

if that engine flames out *for any reason*, the F-35 is going to turn into the world&#039;s most radar avoidant lawn dart.

under 500&#039; AGL, the pilot is not going to have time to relight that engine.  he&#039;s just barely going to have time to eject.  it doesn&#039;t really matter that the craft will have redundant on board systems since it has no redundancy in motive power.

and if we lose a single one of these F-35s, for ANY reason, there will never be any possibility of the aircraft having a positive ROI versus the sheepherders and goat fvckers that it&#039;s likely to be matched against.


fortunately, the Air Force and Army seem to have figured out the stupidity of trying to cram the F-35 into a CAS role and have postponed the A-10 retirement indefinitely.

&#034;In 2012, the Air Force considered the F-35B STOVL variant as a replacement CAS aircraft, but concluded that the aircraft could not generate sufficient sorties.&#034;


duh?    duh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2020/02/the-turducken-plane.html#comment-841">furor kek tonicus ( yo, LeBron.  you&#039;re worth 500 mill, move to Africa and you could be a kangz )</a>.</p>
<p>well then, let me add a critique to your list:</p>
<p>&quot;multiple jet engines&quot; are ( or at least should be ) a requirement for close air support.</p>
<p>the most dangerous part of any airplane flight envelope is slow speed + low altitude operation &#8230; the very definition of CAS.</p>
<p>jets don&#39;t tend to have a very good glide ratio in the first place, and the F-35 looks like the glide ratio is going to be miserable with those stubby wings.</p>
<p>what happens if a following plane in the flight ingests a cloud of dust or debris from the flight leader?</p>
<p>what happens if the engine ingests a bird?</p>
<p>if that engine flames out *for any reason*, the F-35 is going to turn into the world&#39;s most radar avoidant lawn dart.</p>
<p>under 500&#39; AGL, the pilot is not going to have time to relight that engine.  he&#39;s just barely going to have time to eject.  it doesn&#39;t really matter that the craft will have redundant on board systems since it has no redundancy in motive power.</p>
<p>and if we lose a single one of these F-35s, for ANY reason, there will never be any possibility of the aircraft having a positive ROI versus the sheepherders and goat fvckers that it&#39;s likely to be matched against.</p>
<p>fortunately, the Air Force and Army seem to have figured out the stupidity of trying to cram the F-35 into a CAS role and have postponed the A-10 retirement indefinitely.</p>
<p>&quot;In 2012, the Air Force considered the F-35B STOVL variant as a replacement CAS aircraft, but concluded that the aircraft could not generate sufficient sorties.&quot;</p>
<p>duh?    duh.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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