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		By: Didact		</title>
		<link>https://didacticmind.com/2019/02/mobbing-fighter-mafia.html#comment-1698</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2019 08:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2019/02/mobbing-fighter-mafia.html#comment-1695&quot;&gt;Robert Wood&lt;/a&gt;.

For example, the F15 was originally designed to be a purely all-weather air-superiority fighter.

Yeah, and the F-16 was originally designed specifically to be a highly manoeuvrable, rapier-like lightweight fighter built to fly circles around the F-15. It achieved those things, mostly, and since then turned into a multi-role tactical aircraft that can perform a whole bunch of different roles.

Same with the F/A-18 - originally designed to be a fighter, and then later it was discovered that it could perform both an attack role and a fighter role in one airframe. The original plan was to separate out the fighter and attack roles into two different airframes with different avionics.

The problem with the F-111 is that it was always designed from the beginning to be a long-range interceptor AND a bomber. That doesn&#039;t work, as people are discovering now with the F-35. The idea was the same: save costs by using a single airframe with common components. Didn&#039;t work then, doesn&#039;t work now.

It is certainly true that people find unexpected uses for weapons systems beyond their original design. I agree entirely. But that isn&#039;t my point. The point here is that a weapons system designed to do many completely different things, will fail to do any one of those things particularly well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2019/02/mobbing-fighter-mafia.html#comment-1695">Robert Wood</a>.</p>
<p>For example, the F15 was originally designed to be a purely all-weather air-superiority fighter.</p>
<p>Yeah, and the F-16 was originally designed specifically to be a highly manoeuvrable, rapier-like lightweight fighter built to fly circles around the F-15. It achieved those things, mostly, and since then turned into a multi-role tactical aircraft that can perform a whole bunch of different roles.</p>
<p>Same with the F/A-18 &#8211; originally designed to be a fighter, and then later it was discovered that it could perform both an attack role and a fighter role in one airframe. The original plan was to separate out the fighter and attack roles into two different airframes with different avionics.</p>
<p>The problem with the F-111 is that it was always designed from the beginning to be a long-range interceptor AND a bomber. That doesn&#39;t work, as people are discovering now with the F-35. The idea was the same: save costs by using a single airframe with common components. Didn&#39;t work then, doesn&#39;t work now.</p>
<p>It is certainly true that people find unexpected uses for weapons systems beyond their original design. I agree entirely. But that isn&#39;t my point. The point here is that a weapons system designed to do many completely different things, will fail to do any one of those things particularly well.</p>
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		By: Robert Wood		</title>
		<link>https://didacticmind.com/2019/02/mobbing-fighter-mafia.html#comment-1697</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Wood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2019 06:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2019/02/mobbing-fighter-mafia.html#comment-1695&quot;&gt;Robert Wood&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with you about the naval version of the F111, in that as a multi-role mission it was unable to perform as designed. But really, what weapon system ever performs as designed straight off the bat (with possibly the exception of the brilliant A10 Warthog)? For example, the F15 was originally designed to be a purely all-weather air-superiority fighter. However, was subsequently reinvented as a ground attack system with the development of the 15E Strike Eagle. 
Once the powers-that-be determined what the F111 (and the FB111) was best at - low-level strike bombing - then it became the best weapon system for that role.
Plenty of weapon systems that started out not as expected, and redeveloped into the best in their field through working on their strengths. Just look at the history of the M16 assault rifle as an example.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2019/02/mobbing-fighter-mafia.html#comment-1695">Robert Wood</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with you about the naval version of the F111, in that as a multi-role mission it was unable to perform as designed. But really, what weapon system ever performs as designed straight off the bat (with possibly the exception of the brilliant A10 Warthog)? For example, the F15 was originally designed to be a purely all-weather air-superiority fighter. However, was subsequently reinvented as a ground attack system with the development of the 15E Strike Eagle.<br />
Once the powers-that-be determined what the F111 (and the FB111) was best at &#8211; low-level strike bombing &#8211; then it became the best weapon system for that role.<br />
Plenty of weapon systems that started out not as expected, and redeveloped into the best in their field through working on their strengths. Just look at the history of the M16 assault rifle as an example.</p>
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		By: Didact		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2019 02:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2019/02/mobbing-fighter-mafia.html#comment-1695&quot;&gt;Robert Wood&lt;/a&gt;.

The basic premise of the F-111 Aardvark was to perform as a multi-service, multi-role fighter-bomber that could both handle stand-off naval defense needs using those huge Phoenix missiles, and Air Force ground-pounder needs with a big bomb capacity. It was never able to do that because a fully loaded F-111 was so heavy that it could not perform a decent carrier landing safely, which is why only one such was ever recorded.

The Air Force version worked well, certainly. But the F-111 could never perform a multi-role mission - which is what it was designed for. Hence, on that simple basis, it failed to deliver.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2019/02/mobbing-fighter-mafia.html#comment-1695">Robert Wood</a>.</p>
<p>The basic premise of the F-111 Aardvark was to perform as a multi-service, multi-role fighter-bomber that could both handle stand-off naval defense needs using those huge Phoenix missiles, and Air Force ground-pounder needs with a big bomb capacity. It was never able to do that because a fully loaded F-111 was so heavy that it could not perform a decent carrier landing safely, which is why only one such was ever recorded.</p>
<p>The Air Force version worked well, certainly. But the F-111 could never perform a multi-role mission &#8211; which is what it was designed for. Hence, on that simple basis, it failed to deliver.</p>
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		By: Robert Wood		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2019 21:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to disagree with you about the F111 not delivering on its promise, especially the ones in the service of the RAAF (F111C). True, there were intense teething issues with the initial design of the aircraft, especially the variable-swing wing, however once they came into service initally with the USAF in the Vietnam War, the precision stike capability (the F111 was always designed to be used as a low-level strike bomber, never a dog-fighter - you just have to look at how the cockpit was designed to see that ultimate truth) helped to change the direction of how the war was going and drive the North Vietnamese to the discussion table.  The North Vietnamese nicknamed it &#034;Whispering Death&#034; due to its ability to strike targets without being detected.
The F111 also served in the 1st Gulf War without loss conducted . There is even the story of an EF111 Raven being credited with taking down an Iraqi MiG, a fine effort considering that the EF111 wasn&#039;t armed.
The RAAF F111C (affectionately called &#034;The Pig&#034; in RAAF circles) became a feared and respected part of the Australian defence force, so much due to it&#039;s ability to fly from Amberley (near Brisbane) to Jakarta and back without refueling, and the capability to place a bomb within a designated window. An Indonesian General was quoted to have stated this fear to his President as I recall. The F/A18s in RAAF service don&#039;t have the range to do this, and require tanker support to get back to base, which adds a greater level of vunerability.
The RAAF would still be flying these aircraft if it wasn&#039;t for the issue with the fuel tanks having to be resealed, and the cancer cases that resulted from the airmen that did this job.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with you about the F111 not delivering on its promise, especially the ones in the service of the RAAF (F111C). True, there were intense teething issues with the initial design of the aircraft, especially the variable-swing wing, however once they came into service initally with the USAF in the Vietnam War, the precision stike capability (the F111 was always designed to be used as a low-level strike bomber, never a dog-fighter &#8211; you just have to look at how the cockpit was designed to see that ultimate truth) helped to change the direction of how the war was going and drive the North Vietnamese to the discussion table.  The North Vietnamese nicknamed it &quot;Whispering Death&quot; due to its ability to strike targets without being detected.<br />
The F111 also served in the 1st Gulf War without loss conducted . There is even the story of an EF111 Raven being credited with taking down an Iraqi MiG, a fine effort considering that the EF111 wasn&#39;t armed.<br />
The RAAF F111C (affectionately called &quot;The Pig&quot; in RAAF circles) became a feared and respected part of the Australian defence force, so much due to it&#39;s ability to fly from Amberley (near Brisbane) to Jakarta and back without refueling, and the capability to place a bomb within a designated window. An Indonesian General was quoted to have stated this fear to his President as I recall. The F/A18s in RAAF service don&#39;t have the range to do this, and require tanker support to get back to base, which adds a greater level of vunerability.<br />
The RAAF would still be flying these aircraft if it wasn&#39;t for the issue with the fuel tanks having to be resealed, and the cancer cases that resulted from the airmen that did this job.</p>
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		By: Tom Kratman		</title>
		<link>https://didacticmind.com/2019/02/mobbing-fighter-mafia.html#comment-1694</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2019 19:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s no real debate on OODA. The Army thought it was silly to begin with and the Marines, who made it the core of the doctrine, have now relegated it to a  footnote in their warfighting manual.  


POGO?  Pogo was founded in 1981 to murder the M2/3 and M1, quite possibly on behalf of the Soviet Union.  They&#039;re neither insightful, nor intelligent, nor especially honest.  Example, one criticism of the M2 was that the Army didn&#039;t shoot it from certain angles in testing; Oh, wicked, evil, and deceptive Army.  Ummm...no.  There&#039;s no need to waste an expensive target on a shot THAT YOU ALREADY KNOW WILL KILL THE VEHICLE.  Pogo somehow neglected to mention that.  They&#039;re frauds, start to finish and top to bottom.


The other tanks are just as expensive as, or more expensive than, the M1.  Europe has been selling off most of their fleets at rock bottom prices because Europe has disarmed and has a lot of surplus hanging around.  The M1, largely because we&#039;ve built so many and used them so much in peace and war, thus working out all the bugs, remains the class of the world, tank-wise.   We don&#039;t even know yet if T-14 is anything more than a soft metal mock up.  Yes, really.  M1 does use a lot of fuel, but this is only a problem for the logistic incompetents of Europe.  _We_ are the logistic masters of the world and have no problem with keeping it fueled.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#39;s no real debate on OODA. The Army thought it was silly to begin with and the Marines, who made it the core of the doctrine, have now relegated it to a  footnote in their warfighting manual.  </p>
<p>POGO?  Pogo was founded in 1981 to murder the M2/3 and M1, quite possibly on behalf of the Soviet Union.  They&#39;re neither insightful, nor intelligent, nor especially honest.  Example, one criticism of the M2 was that the Army didn&#39;t shoot it from certain angles in testing; Oh, wicked, evil, and deceptive Army.  Ummm&#8230;no.  There&#39;s no need to waste an expensive target on a shot THAT YOU ALREADY KNOW WILL KILL THE VEHICLE.  Pogo somehow neglected to mention that.  They&#39;re frauds, start to finish and top to bottom.</p>
<p>The other tanks are just as expensive as, or more expensive than, the M1.  Europe has been selling off most of their fleets at rock bottom prices because Europe has disarmed and has a lot of surplus hanging around.  The M1, largely because we&#39;ve built so many and used them so much in peace and war, thus working out all the bugs, remains the class of the world, tank-wise.   We don&#39;t even know yet if T-14 is anything more than a soft metal mock up.  Yes, really.  M1 does use a lot of fuel, but this is only a problem for the logistic incompetents of Europe.  _We_ are the logistic masters of the world and have no problem with keeping it fueled.  </p>
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		By: AB.Prosper		</title>
		<link>https://didacticmind.com/2019/02/mobbing-fighter-mafia.html#comment-1693</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2019 19:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It could get worse.  The US nuke arsenal is degrading asBy the early 2030s, the viability of the entire U.S. nuclear deterrent is at risk from an inability to produce tritium for nuclear warheads. The its tritium triggers can no longer be made and we lack the organizational ability to do this. 

According to defense news 

By the early 2030s, the viability of the entire U.S. nuclear deterrent is at risk from an inability to produce tritium for nuclear warheads


This leave the US vulnerable to a kill shot since our ability retaliate is limited 

If Russia or China pushed too hard  hit a US production with EMP weapons , bioweapons or anything else with enough boom  and watch the society implode along it natural fracture lines of culture and ethnicity 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could get worse.  The US nuke arsenal is degrading asBy the early 2030s, the viability of the entire U.S. nuclear deterrent is at risk from an inability to produce tritium for nuclear warheads. The its tritium triggers can no longer be made and we lack the organizational ability to do this. </p>
<p>According to defense news </p>
<p>By the early 2030s, the viability of the entire U.S. nuclear deterrent is at risk from an inability to produce tritium for nuclear warheads</p>
<p>This leave the US vulnerable to a kill shot since our ability retaliate is limited </p>
<p>If Russia or China pushed too hard  hit a US production with EMP weapons , bioweapons or anything else with enough boom  and watch the society implode along it natural fracture lines of culture and ethnicity </p>
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