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		By: A.B. Prosper		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2016/01/even-atheists-can-learn.html#comment-3461&quot;&gt;Tom Kratman&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree completely on the issue of faith. Not everyone feels this and not everyone who feels this is Christian. Not having it in some fashion  makes a person morally suspect. I&#039;d trust a believing pagan or a druid over an atheist any day. 

RE: the union 

The US shouldn&#039;t have existed as a single polity after 1861. The kind of 1930&#039;s thru post war reprieve we got was a product of dire  threats and a no longer extant demography, 90% European White where the remaining White ethnics were near assimilated, 

Its was a synthetic comity really. 

Crucifying a bunch of street rats , lib-tards  and recidivist felons might make the new Republic a little safer but it won&#039;t make a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural republic actually work. 

Given that the historical US was formed on tax evasion and modernity is growing increasingly expensive and dysfunctional, we may not be able  to tax enough to pay for it anyway. 

Also the real issue, machines and computers taking too many jobs to sustain a 30-40 hour a week low unemployment work culture is something today&#039;s Right is simply philosophically unequipped to deal with 

Th only way to get &#034;the old US&#034; and it might not work because of economics  would be massive ethnic cleansing followed by a Right Wing dictatorship. The cleansing   doesn&#039;t have to be lethal but it must be very thorough. 


And its not on moral grounds, the Mexican immivaders are by no means terrible people, most are Christian and family oriented to a high degree and have a tolerable work ethic  however they simply aren&#039;t as smart as Whites .

However  factoring in actual White Hispanics (what Mexico would call Criollo, Peninsular and the like under the old casta system) and including the Flynn effect  they come out half a standard deviation below Whites. That is not helpful to the Republic

The Asians meet the IQ requirement but most lack the same moral foundation as Whites 

Heck we should be leery of taking in some Europeans from low trust countries as well.  

There simply are too few High Trust European Immigrants to form much of an immigrant base so other than maybe taking in all the Boers and Christian Exiles (who honestly are needed in Europe) 

As such restoring the Republic means restoring  moral assumptions and Demography  by force.

I would not be sure that is possible given that the people who might oppose you, whether Leftists , Foreigners or Libertarians or anyone else also have the same access to weapons, can learn tactics and outnumber you. A decisive victory may not be possible.

As such it might be wise to have a smaller homogeneous Republic or ten  instead of what we have. 

In time if the new Republic is strong it can reconquer the other lands anyway and if its not and its birth rates don&#039;t rise, it won&#039;t matter

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2016/01/even-atheists-can-learn.html#comment-3461">Tom Kratman</a>.</p>
<p>I agree completely on the issue of faith. Not everyone feels this and not everyone who feels this is Christian. Not having it in some fashion  makes a person morally suspect. I&#39;d trust a believing pagan or a druid over an atheist any day. </p>
<p>RE: the union </p>
<p>The US shouldn&#39;t have existed as a single polity after 1861. The kind of 1930&#39;s thru post war reprieve we got was a product of dire  threats and a no longer extant demography, 90% European White where the remaining White ethnics were near assimilated, </p>
<p>Its was a synthetic comity really. </p>
<p>Crucifying a bunch of street rats , lib-tards  and recidivist felons might make the new Republic a little safer but it won&#39;t make a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural republic actually work. </p>
<p>Given that the historical US was formed on tax evasion and modernity is growing increasingly expensive and dysfunctional, we may not be able  to tax enough to pay for it anyway. </p>
<p>Also the real issue, machines and computers taking too many jobs to sustain a 30-40 hour a week low unemployment work culture is something today&#39;s Right is simply philosophically unequipped to deal with </p>
<p>Th only way to get &quot;the old US&quot; and it might not work because of economics  would be massive ethnic cleansing followed by a Right Wing dictatorship. The cleansing   doesn&#39;t have to be lethal but it must be very thorough. </p>
<p>And its not on moral grounds, the Mexican immivaders are by no means terrible people, most are Christian and family oriented to a high degree and have a tolerable work ethic  however they simply aren&#39;t as smart as Whites .</p>
<p>However  factoring in actual White Hispanics (what Mexico would call Criollo, Peninsular and the like under the old casta system) and including the Flynn effect  they come out half a standard deviation below Whites. That is not helpful to the Republic</p>
<p>The Asians meet the IQ requirement but most lack the same moral foundation as Whites </p>
<p>Heck we should be leery of taking in some Europeans from low trust countries as well.  </p>
<p>There simply are too few High Trust European Immigrants to form much of an immigrant base so other than maybe taking in all the Boers and Christian Exiles (who honestly are needed in Europe) </p>
<p>As such restoring the Republic means restoring  moral assumptions and Demography  by force.</p>
<p>I would not be sure that is possible given that the people who might oppose you, whether Leftists , Foreigners or Libertarians or anyone else also have the same access to weapons, can learn tactics and outnumber you. A decisive victory may not be possible.</p>
<p>As such it might be wise to have a smaller homogeneous Republic or ten  instead of what we have. </p>
<p>In time if the new Republic is strong it can reconquer the other lands anyway and if its not and its birth rates don&#39;t rise, it won&#39;t matter</p>
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		By: Didact		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2016 02:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2016/01/even-atheists-can-learn.html#comment-3461&quot;&gt;Tom Kratman&lt;/a&gt;.

I admit I could be optimistic there and the numbers could be much higher.

I suspect those are optimistic estimates, sir. My personal feeling is that the USA will likely undergo terrible internecine bloodshed before splitting into multiple political entities. The cultural idea that bound the Republic together is long gone, along with the culture that created it.

I dearly want to be wrong. The evidence I see so far indicates that I am not.

I think it has to be an emotional connection; you feel the presence of the Divinity or you don&#039;t

Indeed. As I have mentioned before, I could no more explain my faith in God to a non-believer (such as my younger self) than I could explain the colour green to a man born colour-blind. Yet God remains nonetheless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2016/01/even-atheists-can-learn.html#comment-3461">Tom Kratman</a>.</p>
<p>I admit I could be optimistic there and the numbers could be much higher.</p>
<p>I suspect those are optimistic estimates, sir. My personal feeling is that the USA will likely undergo terrible internecine bloodshed before splitting into multiple political entities. The cultural idea that bound the Republic together is long gone, along with the culture that created it.</p>
<p>I dearly want to be wrong. The evidence I see so far indicates that I am not.</p>
<p>I think it has to be an emotional connection; you feel the presence of the Divinity or you don&#39;t</p>
<p>Indeed. As I have mentioned before, I could no more explain my faith in God to a non-believer (such as my younger self) than I could explain the colour green to a man born colour-blind. Yet God remains nonetheless.</p>
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		By: Tom Kratman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2016 00:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DB, I figure that, if the republic is to be saved, 10 million have to go, 4 million common law felons, 5 million lefties, and 1 million of the nuttier of the righties.  I admit I could be optimistic there and the numbers could be much higher.

I never lost my faith in God, though Vatican II certainly made it waiver quite a bit when I was young.  The more foolish me, because, theologically speaking, at least, Vatican II got it mostly right, however much the timing and speed of change may have been unwise.  I do think dropping Latin mass was an unredeemed mistake, however.

Thing is, however much someone like John Wright may try to reason his way to faith, I think it has to be an emotional connection; you feel the presence of the Divinity or you don&#039;t.  Is there objective evidence?  Clearly, but the proof is in the heart.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DB, I figure that, if the republic is to be saved, 10 million have to go, 4 million common law felons, 5 million lefties, and 1 million of the nuttier of the righties.  I admit I could be optimistic there and the numbers could be much higher.</p>
<p>I never lost my faith in God, though Vatican II certainly made it waiver quite a bit when I was young.  The more foolish me, because, theologically speaking, at least, Vatican II got it mostly right, however much the timing and speed of change may have been unwise.  I do think dropping Latin mass was an unredeemed mistake, however.</p>
<p>Thing is, however much someone like John Wright may try to reason his way to faith, I think it has to be an emotional connection; you feel the presence of the Divinity or you don&#39;t.  Is there objective evidence?  Clearly, but the proof is in the heart.</p>
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		By: Dire Badger		</title>
		<link>https://didacticmind.com/2016/01/even-atheists-can-learn.html#comment-3460</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2016 20:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2016/01/even-atheists-can-learn.html#comment-3458&quot;&gt;Tom Kratman&lt;/a&gt;.

Ironically, It was Tom&#039;s tuloriad rant that made me look closely at what I was doing as well. I had had a vague sense of how things were &#039;messed up&#039; before, but had foolishly tried to lay blame on feminism alone... I hadn&#039;t even remotely considered that it might be a symptom, and not a cause, of western decay.

It took a lot of beating my head into walls before I finally realized that it was a dying country&#039;s loss of moral, ethical, and psychological integrity that was the root. The Psychotic Feminists, the destruction shysters, the warhawks and corporate powermovers, the gay agenda, the SJW&#039;s and Dawkins cultists, these were all just infections bubbling at the open wound of a lack of American Identity, an identity that Protestant Christianity was firmly a part of.

The wound could be healed by cauterizing it, undergoing a nationwide trial by fire and restoring, painfully, our origin as an individualist christian republic, but if the infections are not dealt with first, that cauterizing will simply kill us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2016/01/even-atheists-can-learn.html#comment-3458">Tom Kratman</a>.</p>
<p>Ironically, It was Tom&#39;s tuloriad rant that made me look closely at what I was doing as well. I had had a vague sense of how things were &#39;messed up&#39; before, but had foolishly tried to lay blame on feminism alone&#8230; I hadn&#39;t even remotely considered that it might be a symptom, and not a cause, of western decay.</p>
<p>It took a lot of beating my head into walls before I finally realized that it was a dying country&#39;s loss of moral, ethical, and psychological integrity that was the root. The Psychotic Feminists, the destruction shysters, the warhawks and corporate powermovers, the gay agenda, the SJW&#39;s and Dawkins cultists, these were all just infections bubbling at the open wound of a lack of American Identity, an identity that Protestant Christianity was firmly a part of.</p>
<p>The wound could be healed by cauterizing it, undergoing a nationwide trial by fire and restoring, painfully, our origin as an individualist christian republic, but if the infections are not dealt with first, that cauterizing will simply kill us.</p>
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		By: Didact		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2016 03:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://didacticmind.com/2016/01/even-atheists-can-learn.html#comment-3458&quot;&gt;Tom Kratman&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes sir. I read it- both before and after I read The Tuloriad- last year. (I must admit, it made somewhat more sense, in terms of motivation and context at least, after.)

I agree with you on the subject entirely. In my experience, there are few things more dangerous than an unreasoning ideologue of moderately high intelligence convinced of his own pretty-sounding arguments, who is then handed a media megaphone through which to broadcast his nonsense. (Obarmy, anyone?)

I used to be one such atheist. I grew up. It took a LOT of hard knocks and I&#039;m sure there are plenty more to come. The difference between me back then and me today is that I understand the point and power of faith, and do not sneer at either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://didacticmind.com/2016/01/even-atheists-can-learn.html#comment-3458">Tom Kratman</a>.</p>
<p>Yes sir. I read it- both before and after I read The Tuloriad- last year. (I must admit, it made somewhat more sense, in terms of motivation and context at least, after.)</p>
<p>I agree with you on the subject entirely. In my experience, there are few things more dangerous than an unreasoning ideologue of moderately high intelligence convinced of his own pretty-sounding arguments, who is then handed a media megaphone through which to broadcast his nonsense. (Obarmy, anyone?)</p>
<p>I used to be one such atheist. I grew up. It took a LOT of hard knocks and I&#39;m sure there are plenty more to come. The difference between me back then and me today is that I understand the point and power of faith, and do not sneer at either.</p>
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		By: Tom Kratman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2016 19:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I invite your attention to:   tomkratman.com/Ranttuloriad.html]]></description>
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		By: speakeasyx		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#034;If nothing else, Prof. Dawkins&#039;s admission- which, by the way, is at least 10 years old at this point- simply proves what I have always suspected: the Big Fella Upstairs has quite the sense of humour.&#034;

It&#039;s taken me until the age of 43 to realize that the God of the Bible is a happy God, not Zeus-type god. He is no Angry God who holds all of us sinners in His hand waiting with glee to destroy us if we go against His ideas. No, He holds us in his hand waiting with glee for us to simply grasp the fact that, hey, He&#039;s got me in His hand. One of billions, and yet, He said He knows each of us. I understand that, for many atheists, such a thing cannot make sense to them. How could and why would such a God do such a thing? Too bad most of them don&#039;t make a quick comparison to how technology works, being nothing but modern applications of very, very old ideas, in that it&#039;s not even remotely impossible for us HUMANS to track ONE human all over the planet. God, being God, is not going to have any issue here keeping up with one of His own. 

And He will chase you, brother. There&#039;s no question about that. Trust me, I&#039;ve tried to outrun Him many, many times. It doesn&#039;t work if He really wants your attention. 







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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;If nothing else, Prof. Dawkins&#39;s admission- which, by the way, is at least 10 years old at this point- simply proves what I have always suspected: the Big Fella Upstairs has quite the sense of humour.&quot;</p>
<p>It&#39;s taken me until the age of 43 to realize that the God of the Bible is a happy God, not Zeus-type god. He is no Angry God who holds all of us sinners in His hand waiting with glee to destroy us if we go against His ideas. No, He holds us in his hand waiting with glee for us to simply grasp the fact that, hey, He&#39;s got me in His hand. One of billions, and yet, He said He knows each of us. I understand that, for many atheists, such a thing cannot make sense to them. How could and why would such a God do such a thing? Too bad most of them don&#39;t make a quick comparison to how technology works, being nothing but modern applications of very, very old ideas, in that it&#39;s not even remotely impossible for us HUMANS to track ONE human all over the planet. God, being God, is not going to have any issue here keeping up with one of His own. </p>
<p>And He will chase you, brother. There&#39;s no question about that. Trust me, I&#39;ve tried to outrun Him many, many times. It doesn&#39;t work if He really wants your attention. </p>
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